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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:

"I'm truly sorry when we EC's offend Orthodoxy and Orthodox Christians in particular."

Alex,

thank you...and for the record, I'm ashamed over the way we Orthodox have treated the Greek Catholics at times, and I don't allways agree with the positions of the Moscow Patriarchate towards the Catholic church in general and towards the Ukrainians in particular.

Christian

Dear Christian,

You are "Christian" in more ways than one!

Is there an Akathist to the Mother of God of Ostra Brama of Vilnius?

Alex

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:

"Is there an Akathist to the Mother of God of Ostra Brama of Vilnius?"

I don't know. There should be, I'll try to find out...

Christian

Dear Christian,

You are a saint!

If you do find that there is one, I"ll pay you whatever you like for it and your trouble!

Alex

I believe it was Anton who started this exchange. I do, however, ask forgiveness for fanning the flames.

"And we hope and pray that His Beatitude Alexei II renounces his errors of communism and Soviet ideology and returns to Orthodoxy."

You really should read the posts, Christian. I said nothing about the Church, but only was referring to Patriarch Alexei II and his documented past activities. There is a difference. I have great respect for the ROC and do not question its Orthodoxy.

Unfortunately, since the Orthodoxy of the Pope was questioned, that will obviously incite passions and tempers. I ask forgiveness of all here.

I do question any church leader who is unwilling or afraid to speak out against godless, atheistic governments that persecute their own people.

No logic here. I leave that the Aristotelians.

Nope, Maxim is OK by me. We Ukies have a different idea of 'canonicity' as you can see with our relations with the UAOC, KP, etc.

But HH Maxim was elected during the communist time in 1971...how is he then different to HH Alexis then (by extension, you can also count in Patriarchs Pavle, and Teocrist)?

Moe,

Ssshhhh; no one asked you. You've been nothing but rude from your very first post to me, and I'd rather not converse with you anymore.

Anton,

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please don't take offense. I'm sure you can undertand that I had little way of knowing whether or not you were being sarcastic, as words on a computer screen don't include "sarcastic" voice patterns. As I said in my first post, we all value your comments.

As far as Europe vs. North America, I don't really disagree with you actually!

Logos Teen

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diak:

"I said nothing about the Church, but only was referring to Patriarch Alexei II and his documented past activities. There is a difference. I have great respect for the ROC and do not question its Orthodoxy."

But Diak, you did not simply critize the Patriarchs past activities, but said that he should RETURN to Orthodoxy, and that means that you do not consider him to be Orthodox at the moment, but that he in fact is a heretic.

From an Orthodox POV, anyone who is in communion with a heretic, is himself a heretic. Therefore, if Patriarch Alexy is a heretic, then it automatically follows that the ROC and all in communion with her are heretics!

This also goes for Patriarch Maxim, both by virtue of his own actions under communism and by virtue of his communion with Patriarch Alexy.

Maybe this wasn't what you intended to say, but in fact, that IS what you said!

"I do question any church leader who is unwilling or afraid to speak out against godless, atheistic governments that persecute their own people."

By all means, please do! But be careful about the words you use...

Christian

You are correct, Christian, my suspicions and questions are solely limited to the person of Alexei II and his past.

Anton, none of these other hierarchs has the checkered career of Alexei II. None of these hierarchs at least that I know of was a former KGB agent. And I believe anyone can question the orthodoxy of an agent of an atheistic regime. I have heard or read no public renunciation from Alexei II regarding his Soviet past. I wish he would pronounce something like this. It would be beneficial for him and his church. Unfortunately his words and actions speak for themselves to the rest of the Christian world.

If I have offended anyone again I ask forgiveness.

the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in Rome, the pictures:

http://www.rilaeu.com/i1bgeu1.htm

(In the last picture you can see the Apostolic Exarch for the Bulgarian Byzantine Catholics Hristo Proikov, is he who is wearing the egkolpio)

Nice pictures, thank you for them. I remember visiting this Church when I was studying in Rome.

Is it off topic to ask if the Holy Father in his generosity might give a Church to the Byzantine Catholics (ruthenian-usa)? It seems that every other Church in communion with Rome (or 'sui juris' as it is called in law), has a a representative Church in the city. Is the Byzantine Catholic Church (ruthenian-usa) the only one not to be so served and represented?

Now thanks to the their own efforts and sometimes the Holy Father's generosity, many Orthodox Churches have Churches in Rome. I am sure that this is no doubt partly due to the new immigration from central europe to western europe brought about by the freedom of movement provided for in the european union, and these Churches rightly wish to provide for their faithful who may be living and working in Rome. To my mind, the presence of all the Churches also reflects the nature of the city of Rome which has not completely lost the identity it had as 'imperial'.