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Originally Posted by byzanTN
When I saw those for the first time, my initial reaction was along the lines of, "this building is a triumph of Calvinism." It is bare, austere and without a soul. However, the organ is spectacular, so I did find one thing good about the place.

Despite the ugliness of the design, let us all get a grip and remember that Christ is still present Sacramentally, yes, even in this Cathedral and the Sacrifice of the Mass is still celebrated there. It most certainly does not lack a soul because of this very reason.

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Originally Posted by Jakub.
With much respect Fr. Anthony, but the cost of the new Cathedral ($189,000,000.00) has much to do with the scandal pay outs in my eyes and wallet.

I really get upset with the way things are in the Archdiocese here and I bust a seam once in a while.

Switching to quiet mode...

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James,

As the moderator, I happen to disagree. The initial post's story has to do with the relocation of these nuns and the sale of their home, not a critique of the LA Cathedral. If a thread on the beauty or lack thereof or the costs of the project are to be discussed, start a separate thread in the appropriate section.

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Jakub:

I have to agree with Father Anthony. You're way off topic.

Incidentally, the cost of the cathedral, if anyone is interested, was entirely covered by donations from individuals with deep pockets and had nothing whatsoever to do with collecting a dime from the people in the pews. Lots of high rollers were tapped and they responded, so the cathedral was something of a gift to the archdiocese by people of wealth. It has no relationship to any other issue within that jurisdiction. This fact was reported in the mainstream media by the way.

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Originally Posted by Father Anthony
Originally Posted by Jakub.
With much respect Fr. Anthony, but the cost of the new Cathedral ($189,000,000.00) has much to do with the scandal pay outs in my eyes and wallet.

I really get upset with the way things are in the Archdiocese here and I bust a seam once in a while.

Switching to quiet mode...

james
James,

As the moderator, I happen to disagree. The initial post's story has to do with the relocation of these nuns and the sale of their home, not a critique of the LA Cathedral. If a thread on the beauty or lack thereof or the costs of the project are to be discussed, start a separate thread in the appropriate section.

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Father Anthony,

While I did bring up in my opening post the expense and the relatively poor aesthetic value of the Cathedral in relationship to the closure of the convent for money to pay for the settlement, the connection is still loose and a bit of a tangent. My apologies for helping to take it too far afield, or for any remarks that gave offense.

As the originator of the thread, can I recommend that we just shut it down?

Prayers for the Sisters and for the Arcdiocese...

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My Final Post:

Somewhat in defense of the Archdiocese, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am posting what someone passed along to me.

http://www.la-archdiocese.org/news/story.php?newsid=919

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Statement Of The Archdiocese Of Los Angeles Regarding The Sisters Of Bethany In Santa Barbara

Respecting the legitimate governing authority of religious congregations, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles communicated directly with the Bethany Sisters� Provincial Superior in Los Angeles, on June 28, regarding the necessity of selling the property currently occupied by members of the Bethany Community in Santa Barbara. According to church law and practice, the provincial superior of a religious community is directly responsible for the spiritual and physical welfare of the members of her or his religious community.

The Archdiocese assumed that the Provincial Superior, in fulfilling her responsibilities, would contact the members of her community in Santa Barbara to explore options for her sisters to remain in Santa Barbara, or to move to existing convents owned by their religious community in Oxnard and Los Angeles. This is the ordinary procedure which would be followed in religious congregations.

For reasons which still are not clear, the Provincial Superior did not communicate with the sisters in Santa Barbara until August. The Archdiocese first became aware of this situation when members of the media began calling the Archdiocese last week.

Archdiocesan representatives are meeting with the Provincial Superior of the Bethany Community today to encourage her in fulfilling her responsibilities for the welfare of the members of her community.

We reiterate our gratitude to the Bethany Community for their service to the people of the Archdiocese for so many years.


IMHO, it is still wrong to sell off the convent to pay for the debts in light of what has been spent on the Cathedral. But it appears that the shock of the sale experienced by the poor nuns cannot be completely laid at the feet of the Archdiocese.

I suppose those are some of the facts grieco was referring to.

And why CNN does not mean "Catholic News Network".

A bit of a mea culpa.

Gordo



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