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Eastern Catholics should pursue ties with Orthodox, Pope saysExcerpt: Vatican, Jan. 11 (CWNews.com) - Pope John Paul II has encouraged Eastern-rite Catholics to pursue their contacts with their Orthodox counterparts, saying that their "common liturgical tradition" could furnish the basis for greater ecumenical progress.
The Pope made his remarks in an address to participants at an interparchal synod of Italy's Eastern Catholic communities. He told them that their faithful could profit greatly from a "solid formation rooted in the Oriental tradition," adding that the Byzantine perspective could also provide "an effective manner to the growing challenges of secularization. Pope John Paul has frequently encouraged the growth of the Eastern Catholic churches, and urged Byzantine Catholics to protect their distinctive spirituality and liturgy. Click here [ cwnews.com] to read entire news article.
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Interesting; my thanks to the Administrator for bringing this to our attention. Can anyone find the complete text of the Pope's address?
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Originally posted by incognitus:
Can anyone find the complete text of the Pope's address? Incognitus, It doesn't appear to be on-line yet, this is a somewhat longer news story, from Zenit: Pope Invites Eastern Catholics to Reach Out to Orthodox
Attendees at Interpatriarchal Synod Hear Plea
VATICAN CITY, JAN. 11, 2005 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II encouraged Eastern-rite Catholics to promote contacts with Orthodox Churches to help overcome the millennium-long schism.
The Pope's words were heard today by 150 participants in the Interpatriarchal Synod of the three Catholic Byzantine ecclesiastical circumscriptions in Italy: the Lungo and Piana degli Albanesi eparchies, and the exarchal Monastery of Santa Maria di Grottaferrata.
"I encourage you to continue contacts, thanks to a common liturgical tradition, with the Orthodox Churches desirous also of giving glory to the one God and Savior," the Holy Father said.
"May the Almighty Lord, who in the Christmas just lived through revealed his divine tenderness in the luminous incarnation of the Word, allow all believers in Christ to live fully the unity of the same faith," he said.
The 2nd Interpatriarchal Synod is being held in three sessions: the first two took place last October and November. The third is taking place through Friday.
The synod is focusing on "Communion and Proclamation of the Gospel." Its organizers told ZENIT in a statement that the synod hopes to "respond to the urgent need of the pastoral program of new evangelization, which has its center in Jesus Christ, dead and resurrected, for the salvation of every man."
The Italian-Byzantine Monastery of Santa Maria of Grottaferrata, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) from Rome, is under the Holy See. It was founded in 1004 by St. Nilus, sometimes called "the Younger" or "of Rossano," a half-century before the division of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox.
For 1,000 years this monastery has witnessed with daily prayer to the unity of the Church in its multiple traditions of spirituality and culture. It is a place of meeting and dialogue between the Latin West and the Orthodox East, open to those who wish to live and study Byzantine spirituality.
1940 was the year of the first synod of the two eparchies (equivalent to dioceses) of Eastern-rite Catholics who arrived in the Italian peninsula and its islands in the 15th century, after the Ottoman occupation of Albania, Greece and the Balkans.
"Heirs of a common spiritual heritage, these ecclesial realities of yours are called to witness to the unity of the same faith in different social contexts," the Pope said. "They collaborate from the pastoral point of view with the communities of the Latin tradition and increasingly reinforce their identity, taking advantage of their millennial Byzantine tradition."
John Paul II encouraged Eastern-rite Catholics in Italy to preserve their tradition through "solid formation, � able to respond in an effective manner to the growing challenges of secularization."
In the presence of Cardinal Ignace Moussa I Daoud, prefect of the Congregation for Eastern Churches, the Holy Father said that the Holy See will "not cease to give them its support." Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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I shall ask someone in Rome (my friend will certainly be keenly interested) if he can find this text, preferably in English. If he can, I'll provide the full text to the Forum.
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The Exarchial Abbey and Monastery of S. Maria de Grottaferratta has revamped their website [ abbaziagreca.it] . Unfortunately, the English language version is not up as yet (nor are the French and German versions). For the philatelists and deltiologists among us, links from the site illustrate and provide ordering info for a stamp, commemorative cachets, and first day covers issued by Poste Italiane in honor of the Abbey's Millenium, as well as a set of commemorative postcards issued by Vatican City to honor the event. There are also significantly more publications available for purchase through the site now than there were previously. Many years, Neil
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Originally posted by incognitus:
I shall ask someone in Rome (my friend will certainly be keenly interested) if he can find this text, preferably in English. If he can, I'll provide the full text to the Forum. Incognitus, Found it, but only in Italian [ vatican.va] . Here is the text: UDIENZA AI PARTECIPANTI AL SINODO INTEREPARCHIALE DELLE EPARCHIE ORIENTALI IN ITALIA E DEL MONASTERO ESARCHICO DI GROTTAFERRATA , 11.01.2005
UDIENZA AI PARTECIPANTI AL SINODO INTEREPARCHIALE DELLE EPARCHIE ORIENTALI IN ITALIA E DEL MONASTERO ESARCHICO DI GROTTAFERRATA
Questa mattina, nella Sala Clementina del Palazzo Apostolico Vaticano, il Santo Padre ha ricevuto in Udienza i partecipanti al Sinodo Intereparchiale dell�Eparchie Orientali in Italia e del Monastero esarchico di Grottaferrata, sul tema: "Comunione e annuncio dell�Evangelo".
Pubblichiamo di seguito il discorso che il Papa ha loro rivolto:
DISCORSO DEL SANTO PADRE
Beatitudine, venerati Fratelli nell�Episcopato e nel Sacerdozio, carissimi Fratelli e Sorelle!
1. Vi accolgo con gioia e vi saluto ordialmente. Saluto in primo luogo il Prefetto della Congregazione per le Chiese Orientali e lo ringrazio per le cortesi parole che mi ha rivolto a nome di tutti i presenti. Estendo il mio saluto alle Comunit� che voi qui rappresentate, ed a coloro che prendono parte al vostro Sinodo, che ha come tema: "Comunione e annuncio dell'Evangelo".
Si tratta di un tema quanto mai attuale per le vostre due Eparchie e per il monastero esarchico di Grottaferrata. Eredi di un comune patrimonio spirituale, queste vostre realt� ecclesiali sono chiamate a testimoniare l'unit� della stessa fede in diversi contesti sociali. Esse collaborano dal punto di vista pastorale con le comunit� di tradizione latina e rafforzano sempre pi� la loro identit�, facendo tesoro della loro millenaria tradizione bizantina.
2. Per favorire tutto ci�, il vostro Sinodo ha posto l�accento su temi essenziali come la catechesi e la mistagogia in vista di un�adeguata crescita spirituale dell'intero Popolo di Dio. Ha inoltre individuato percorsi teologici e ascetici per la preparazione del clero e dei membri degli Istituti di vita consacrata. Inoltre, per evitare una trasformazione indebita dell�identit� spirituale che vi distingue, � vostro intendimento curare una solida formazione radicata nella tradizione orientale ed atta a rispondere in maniera efficace alle sfide crescenti della secolarizzazione.
La Santa Sede, mediante la Congregazione per le Chiese Orientali, non mancher� di offrire il proprio sostegno a quest�azione rinnovatrice, mentre nei testi del Concilio Vaticano II e nel Codice dei Canoni delle Chiese Orientali vi sar� possibile trovare riferimenti utili per sostenere tali vostri sforzi.
3. Il rito bizantino i mirabilia Dei per l'umanit� e, al riguardo, le Anafore di san Giovanni Crisostomo e di san Basilio sono di sublime esemplarit�. Le Preghiere Eucaristiche e la celebrazione degli altri Sacramenti, come l'intero svolgimento liturgico e il Culto divino con la ricca innografia, costituiscono un potente veicolo di catechesi per il popolo cristiano.
Quasi quotidianamente voi celebrate la Divina Liturgia di san Giovanni Crisostomo, il quale per la sua arte oratoria e per la sua conoscenza delle Sacre Scritture � stato chiamato "Bocca d'oro". Le sue parole penetrano anche oggi nell'orecchio e nel cuore dell'uomo. Giustamente pertanto voi le fate risuonare in modo comprensibile nelle lingue del nostro tempo.
4. Vi incoraggio poi a proseguire i contatti, grazie alla comune tradizione liturgica, con le Chiese ortodosse desiderose anch�esse di rendere gloria all'Unico Dio e Salvatore. Il Signore Onnipotente, che nel Natale appena passato ha rivelato la sua divina tenerezza nella luminosa incarnazione del Verbo, conceda a tutti i credenti in Cristo di vivere appieno l�unit� della medesima fede. Per questo prego e domando al Signore che il vostro Sinodo contribuisca a favorire un rinnovato annuncio dell'Evangelo in ogni vostra Comunit� come pure un vigoroso slancio ecumenico.
Questo ardente auspicio affido alla Santissima Madre di Dio, mentre di gran cuore imparto a voi qui presenti ed alle vostre Eparchie una speciale Benedizione Apostolica.
[00040-01.01] [Testo originale: Italiano] Many years, Neil
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This is the electronic translation from Babelfish. It's far from perfect but gives one a decent understanding of what was said:
AUDIENCE To the PARTICIPANTS To SINODO INTEREPARCHIALE Of the EPARCHIE ORIENTS THEM IN ITALY And Of MONASTERO ESARCHICO OF GROTTAFERRATA , 11.01.2005
AUDIENCE To the PARTICIPANTS To SINODO INTEREPARCHIALE Of the EPARCHIE ORIENTS THEM IN ITALY And Of MONASTERO ESARCHICO OF GROTTAFERRATA
This morning, in Knows it Clementina of the Apostolic Palace Vatican, the Saint Padre has received in Audience the participants to the Sinodo Intereparchiale dell.Eparchie Orients them in Italy and of the esarchico Monastero of Grottaferrata, on the topic: "Communion and announcement dell.Evangelo".
We publish of continuation the speech that the Pope has they turned:
# SPEECH OF THE SAINT PADRE
Beatitude,
venera nell.Episcopato you Siblings and in the Sacerdozio,
most expensive Siblings and Sisters!
1. I receive you with joy and you cordial salute. Salute in the first place the Prefetto of the Congregation for the Churches Orients them and ringrazio it for the kind words that have turned me to name of all the present ones. I extend my salute to the Comunit?he you represented here, and to those who they take part to your Sinodo, that it has like topic: "Communion and announcement of the Evangelo".
Draft of a topic how much never puts into effect them for yours two Eparchie and the esarchico monastero of Grottaferrata. Eredi of a common spiritual patrimony, these your realt?cclesiali are calls to testify unit?ella the same faith in various social contexts. They collaborate from the pastorale point of view with comunit?i the Latin tradition and always strengthen pi?a they identit?facendo treasure of their millenarian tradition bizantina.
2. In order to favor all ci?il your Sinodo it has placed l.accento on essential topics as the catechesi and the mistagogia in sight of un.adeguata spiritual increase of the entire People of God have moreover characterized covered theological and ascetic for the preparation of the clergy and the members of the Institutes of consecrated life. Moreover, in order to avoid a dell.identit?pirituale undue transformation that distinguishes to you?ostro understanding to cure a solid formation radicata in the tradition orients them and apt to answer in effective way to the increasing challenges of the secolarizzazione.
The Sede Saint, by means of the Congregation for the Churches Orients them, mancher?i not to offer just the support to rinnovatrice quest.azione, while in the witnesses of Concilio Vatican II and in the Code of the Canoni of the Churches She orients sar?possibile to find them to you references useful in order to support such your efforts.
3. The ritual bizantino the mirabilia Of for the umanit, with regard to, the Anaphoras of saint Giovanni Crisostomo and saint Basilio are of sublime esemplarit?Le Eucaristiche Prayers and the celebration of the other Sacramenti, like the entire liturgico development and the divine Cult with the rich innografia, constitutes a powerful vehicle of catechesi for the Christian people.
Nearly daily you celebrate the Divine Liturgy of saint Giovanni Crisostomo, which for its oratory and its acquaintance of the Sacred Writings?tato called "Mouth of gold". Its words penetrate today also in the ear and the heart of the man. Just therefore you fairies to risuonare to them in comprehensible way in the languages of our time.
4. I then encourage to you to continue the contacts, thanks to the common liturgica tradition, with the orthodox Churches yearnings anch.esse to render Gloria to the Only God and Salvatore. The Getlteman Omnipotent, than in the hardly passed NATO them has revealed its divine tenderness in the luminous incarnation of the Verbo, fully grants to all the believers in Christ of living l.unit?ella same faith. For this I pray and I ask to the Getlteman that your Sinodo contributes to favor a renewed announcement of the every Evangelo in your Comunit?ome pure a vigorous ecumenico overhong.
This burning auspice I entrust the Saintest Mother of God, while of great heart imparto to here present you and your Eparchie one special Apostolic Blessing.
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Dear Friends,
Some reciprocity on the part of the ROC would be nice.
If Catholics tried to be any closer to the Orthodox right now they would have some difficulty breathing, I should think . . .
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If anyone wants to read the report in Ukrainian ... Пап&a...;#1085;ими [ risu.org.ua] Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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Quite true, Alex. Do you think His Holiness Alexey would reciprocate his demands with an agreement to halt Orthodox mission activity in Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, South America, etc. etc. etc.  Reading the Bablefish translation brought back some flashbacks of Fr. Guido Sarducci commenting on Vatican activities. 
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Dear Diak,
Looking at it from the Orthodox perspective, I think we Catholics look awfully silly about all this, I am afraid!
The Orthodox essentially regard us as having fallen away from the Catholic Church - period.
The idea of ecumenism where we see how close we are and try to find ways to overcome barriers on both sides PRESUPPOSES that both sides agree there are things wrong with each that should be corrected.
However, to be fair to the Orthodox, and as the EP has said, Rome has made no substantive move on the issues that the Orthodox feel to be important barriers before real discussion can take place.
Sending icons and relics back, that's all nice.
But would Rome consider removing the Filioque from the universal Creed - now?
What about re-examining papal jurisdiction and infallibility with respect to Ecumenical Councils?
Perhaps we Catholics are too quick to congratulate ourselves on all we have done to be nice to the Orthodox.
But is Rome really being nice on the things that count the most?
The Pope has asked the Orthodox to tell him what needs to be done to restore full unity.
Can Rome pretend that it does not know?
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All excellent points Alex!
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Dear Michael, Coming from you - that truly IS a compliment! Alex
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Babelfish...the best laugh you'll get all day!
Gaudior, still chuckling too much to somment on the text.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Friends,
Some reciprocity on the part of the ROC would be nice.
If Catholics tried to be any closer to the Orthodox right now they would have some difficulty breathing, I should think . . .
Alex But is this closeness at the level of theologians in dialogue or at the parish level? Many people have said before that true unity will be achieved when Orthodox and Catholic laypeople begin to "know one another again" My experience is of Catholics knowing very little of the Orthodox beyond a vague notion that they are "exotic" and really, Orthodox people I know do not think of Catholicism or Rome at all or seldom.
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