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I'm not Eastern Rite anything, but perhaps the reason for the altar direction is that they seem to be using the facilities of St. Matthew's Catholic Church (which I assume is RC)?
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The picture looks very Roman and is not new to me, especially the processional Cross and servers...
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I sure hope that these practices has stopped.
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Given that there are photos with both of the Melkite bishops and altar girls at Liturgy, I doubt that they mind too much.
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This is a bi-ritual community, I believe. There are Maronites and Melkites together in this mission. It could very well be a Maronite Liturgy. I am not sure what their rules for celebration are regarding altar girls for the Maronites, but I do believe that they have almost universally adopted the modernized Western practice of ad populum.
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It looks like a new Melkite community making the best with what they have. All to often since missions are not ethnic, they bring in things that to the ethnic culture seems out of whack. This is where education comes in. That is Bishop Cyril and I am sure he had a lot to say about that, but, who knows.
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Don't misunderstand me. As far as I'm concerned it is their community and they can do things as they please as long as their Bishop(s) approve.
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As a member of the Ukrainian Catholic Church I've seen "altar girls" at some of our parishes throughout several eparchies. I don't believe the bishops of our church have issued any official statement on this since the early '90s. While it is not a common practice, it is not unheard of either.
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Gordo,
Don't misunderstand me. As far as I'm concerned it is their community and they can do things as they please as long as their Bishop(s) approve.
Joe Joe, No worries. I was not being defensive. I just thought it was helpful to know that this might not be the Melkite Divine Liturgy. I could be wrong, of course... Gordo
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According to the cached Google of the page: Welcome to St. Joseph Mission,
I would like to welcome all of you to our mission. May the Holy Spirit lead you to seek God�s plan in your life.
Saint Joseph community is an Eastern Syriac Catholic Mission founded in November 2001, affiliated with the Maronite, Melkite, and Orthodox. The parish includes mostly members of Lebanese and other Middle Eastern descents: Syrians, Palestinians, Jordanians, along with their American friends and relatives. It was founded with Father Peter Karam under the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Our Lady of Lebanon for the Maronite Church in Los Angeles, CA and due to unexpected circumstances he was relocated to Cleveland, Ohio. Therefore the priest position was vacant, and that is where the Diocese of Newton for Melkite Church stepped in and took a leading role in serving the new mission. In December 2005 Father Charles Kattan was appointed to serve this new mission for nine months. In October 2006 Father Samir Abu Lail was appointed as a new administrator to replace Father Charles and to serve this mission.
With the establishment of a new mission, a new era has begun for all the Middle Eastern Christians in the Seattle area where they can celebrate the Divine Liturgy in their language, their traditions, and give the opportunity to their kids, to learn and share in their Christian faith and tradition, so they can live and grow up in a strong belief in their life.
As a priest, my role is to return this mission to its original track, to convince all community members that this mission is here to stay and to remind everyone that this is their parish that they belong to it, regardless your background: one Church, in Christ Jesus, our God and Savior.
Like any other mission, we have set our goals, primarily, to have our own building. This will only happen through the generosity, kindness, dedication and hard work of our parishioners.
Again, I welcome all of you to our humble mission. We want all people like you to share our joy, commitment and dedication. We want you to practice and live the faith. We want everyone regardless of his background to grow up with us as one family, and share our faith and our goals.
May God bless you all
Fr. Samir Abu Lail
Administrator The only website that I could access directly for this mission is http://www.basta.com/web/maryoussef/default.aspFor whatever reason, the mission seems to be having a really high turnover rate for priests - 3 different priests in 2 years, seems to me, leaves the mission in a state of flux...
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Hmmm...earlier today, I was able to access the website, but not now.
I met Father Samir at the convention this year. He is a good man. I hope that mission in seattle does well. I believe that all our churches and mission will if we truly live out our traditions and rid ourselves of latinizations; whether we be Maronite, Melkite, Syriac Catholic or etc.
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I recently wrote an email to a nearby Maronite parish, which at one time had Syriac Catholic parishioners, to invite the Syriacs to our Syro-Malankara parish nearby - since we share the exact same liturgy. I don't know if the email ever got received, as I never received a response.
Does anyone happen to know anything regarding the Syriac Catholic mission in Chicago?
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There is supposed to be a Syriac Catholic community in Phoenix. Do you know anythin about it?
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As a member of the Ukrainian Catholic Church I've seen "altar girls" at some of our parishes throughout several eparchies. I don't believe the bishops of our church have issued any official statement on this since the early '90s. While it is not a common practice, it is not unheard of either. It should be be unheard of. Someone needs to tell the girls to get off of the altar and go sit down in the unnecessary pews. I can think of two UGCC churches here in Northeast Ohio that suffer from this ludicrous practice. A generation or two ago we had more clergy who had the intestinal fortitude to say what was, is, and always will be right and wrong. Today we suffer from feminized and secular practices and are forced to sit through Mr. Rogers' like homilies instead of the fire and brimstone that needs to be told. Monomakh
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