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I think it would suffice for the Catholics and Orthodox to agree to act civilly towards each other and to form a common defense against the inroads of Islam and Western Secularism. We fight about who gets the biggest chair whilst the Hagarenes are killing our children in Beslan and elsewhere.
Alexandr Excellent point. A Greek Orthodox priest-friend makes the point that the restoration of full communion will come "in God's good time". Meanwhile, such collaboration is a must. Dn. Robert
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Upon a little reflection.. isn't this primus inter pares model mirrored even to the local level? In practical terms, our high priest - the bishop's authority is not merely first among equals, he's got some 'teeth'. He is equal in the sense that he is a priest first, but he is exceptional in that he is a high priest.
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Upon a little reflection.. isn't this primus inter pares model mirrored even to the local level? In practical terms, our high priest - the bishop's authority is not merely first among equals, he's got some 'teeth'. He is equal in the sense that he is a priest first, but he is exceptional in that he is a high priest. You make a good argument. Common sense would argue that one who is "first" should have the ability to make the final call. If Constantinople and Moscow had been in communion with Rome when they had that mutual excommunication over Estonia a year or two ago, the Pope could simply have banged their heads together, and resolved the issue. 
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What is needed is a Supreme Council of Babas and Yayas to go around and whack each Bishop daily with their canes. It not only will keep them humble, but will daily remind them about who REALLY is in charge!
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The Latins call it "sensus fidelium"!
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See how when we talk together, we discover we are not so different. Although it is my belief that the East beats the West hands down when it comes to funny hats!
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It's amazing how the discussions have become off tangent.
The OP is about the "rift" between Moscow and Constantinople and not between Rome and Orthodoxy.
Are there any insights as to how this rift within Orthodoxy can be repaired?
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See how when we talk together, we discover we are not so different. Although it is my belief that the East beats the West hands down when it comes to funny hats!
Alexandr Don't know about that. I've seen some pretty weird mitres on the heads of Western Hierarchs. Also, not too long ago I said to your friend Fr. John Sorochka that it seems that whenever they put a crown on a man's head and make him Bishop, the crown immediately becomes too tight. He said "but, I wear one of those, and it has been getting a bit tight!" Dn. Robert
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Bravo Alexandr. It is the Holy Spirt that unites us Orthodox inspite of our squabbles. We are still Orthodox.
Just to quote Khomyakov, "On the Western Confessions of Faith."
TThe bishop is at the same time both the teacher and disciple of his flock," said the modern apostle to the Aleutian Islands, Bishop Innokenti. Every man..for God clothes whom He wills with the gifts of His infinite wisdom, without regard to person or calling."
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It boils down to arm flexing, and the playout of the past 650 years, during which Constantinople declined and Moscow rose. What needs to occur is a Pan Orthodox Council to sit down and work out these differences as well as other vexing issues such as the calendar question and the evangelization of the New World. Things move slowly in the Church, and it is quite likely we will not live to see this Sobor take place, but it will happen.
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It's amazing how the discussions have become off tangent.
The OP is about the "rift" between Moscow and Constantinople and not between Rome and Orthodoxy.
Are there any insights as to how this rift within Orthodoxy can be repaired? As I said above, the Pope needs to bang their heads together. Dn. Robert
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It's amazing how the discussions have become off tangent.
The OP is about the "rift" between Moscow and Constantinople and not between Rome and Orthodoxy.
Are there any insights as to how this rift within Orthodoxy can be repaired? As I said above, the Pope needs to bang their heads together. Dn. Robert Fr. Deacon: That's a good one! Second: If we go over the previous 9 plenary sessions of the International Commission, the Catholic Church has always presupposed that the EP is the "first among equals" in Orthodoxy. And, third?
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