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Resolution #6 of the 18th SOBOR of the UOC OF The USA.
The 18th Sobor of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA laments the Kyivan Patriarchate's spiritual injury, inflicted upon itself by those who have chosen to abandon the order of Holy Orthodoxy by intruding upon the territory of the UOC of the USA through the unlawful establishment of a UOC-KP administration, appointment of a bishop, and claims to be the de facto spokesman, if not the official head, of Ukrainian Orthodox parishes and communities throughout the world. We find it lamentable that an ecclesiastical body, comprised of learned men, which seeks world wide Orthodox recognition and legitimacy should employ inappropriate means, thus damaging and dishonoring its cause and Ukrainian Orthodoxy.
I guess it's not enough to incite hatred of Russians and Orthodxy under the guise of nationalism, but it looks like the defrocked bishop Filaret Denisenko is looking to set up a schismatic organization in the west. I guess that if you lack canonicity, the almighty dollar is a sufficient replacement.
And for you fans of the schismatic Kieven patriarchate out there, no this didn't come from us evil Russians, but from the Canonical Ukrainian Church in America under the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
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Why is the Kieven patriarchate such a big deal?
From what I understand (in this situation, only a little bit) the Russian Church didn't want to give them full autonomy. What is that about?
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The Kieven Patriarchate is a schismatic organization. It's head "Metropolitan" Filaret Denisenko was defrocked by the Orthodox Church. He now runs around playing "Church", and adding to nationalistic tensions in Ukraine. Now he is attempting to export his schism to North America.
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What is the part about autonomy?
Did the Russians deny that to the Ukraine?
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The Church in the Ukraine is autonomous. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_UkraineThe Church of Ukraine is an autonomous Orthodox church whose primate is confirmed by the Church of Russia. Its history extends to the introduction of Christianity into Kievan Rus' with the baptism of Prince St. Vladimir of Kiev and his people in 988, known as the Baptism of Rus'. Its current primate is His Beatitude Volodymyr (Sabodan) (who resides at the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, which is the heartbeat of Ukrainian Orthodoxy), Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine. Its autonomy is currently not recognized in international Orthodox gatherings. Alexandr
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I notice that the first sentence agrees with you, and the last doesn't...
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Something I've never understood is why if Kyiv predates Moscow by 500 years, Kyiv is not also a Patriarchate in Orthodoxy. Or does a Patriarch have to be tied to an Emperor?
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Moscow is the fulfillment of Kiev.
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Jeff,
Moscow granted autonomy, but the rest of Orthodoxy has not accepted or recognized what Moscow granted.
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Moscow is the fulfillment of Kiev.
Alexandr In what way? Is Constantinople the fulfillment of Rome?
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Ultimately Moscow IS Rome. The Third Rome and a fourth there will not be!
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I think I get that, because of the Tsar, Moscow was the 3rd Rome after the fall of Constantinople. But there is no Tsar in Moscow now.
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Ultimately Moscow IS Rome. The Third Rome and a fourth there will not be!
Alexandr A Rome with out a Caesar? Who will call an Imperial (Ecumenical) Council then should the need arise? (and with this infighting between Moscow and Constantinople I think Eastern Orthodoxy could use one). Besides didn't Peter the Great move his capital to St. Petersburg where it stayed until the comunists took over? KP and Patriarch Filaret are the good guys fighting against foreign imperialism and domination. Why dose Moscow refuse to grant autocephaly to Ukraine? They had no problem doing so with America.
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I vote Las Vegas as the Fourth Rome. There MUST be Caesar there - everyone knows there's a Caesar's Palace there. LOL.
Anyway, why bother to ask Moscow for autocephaly for Ukraine? Ukraine doesn't belong to Moscow, properly speaking. Get it from Constantinople.
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I vote Las Vegas as the Fourth Rome. There MUST be Caesar there - everyone knows there's a Caesar's Palace there. LOL.
Anyway, why bother to ask Moscow for autocephaly for Ukraine? Ukraine doesn't belong to Moscow, properly speaking. Get it from Constantinople. I believe you are quite correct in saying this. Moscow is not Constantinople and it isn't up to her to confirm anything. and Moscow is not the third Rome. There is only one. There has only ever been one and there will only be one. The Imperial capital moved, but Rome was still there. 
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