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Sure. Maybe the bishop is just like that priest who likes to have sex with men and naively or coyly declares he just doesn't think it is a sin... Do similar types of scandals [guardian.co.uk] in Eastern Orthodoxy lead us to believe that there is general confusion therein? I never thought it did. Very disingenuous.

Also, nevermind that no reference has been made in this thread about the same bishop's forthcoming apology [americanpapist.com].

Father, I am having a difficult time seeing the relevence of that except to say that it would easily fit in the "More things that are generally embarassing to faithful Catholics" file.

And it is not as though Orthodox hierarchies don't suffer with similar odd scandals. But to be sure, my reference in context to a certain scandal at the highest levels in the Moscow Patriarchate has been edited right out of my posts before. You yourself did the editing once.

Who else wants to add to the pile and link to some articles that show that there are sinners in the Catholic Church?

Just to show I am sporting, I will toss this out there - it is good toe-curling fodder and opportunity to shout "Is outrage!" for those who are much inclined to do just that. There seem to be a lot of them, so let Christmas come early! Here you go, Clown Mass!

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To what good end is this proof of anything or useful in these forums?

And for the record, I do believe there is a blaring double standard on these forums. I can hardly imagine a Catholic poster being allowed to post about the OCAs financial scandals, the Greek Church's sex scandals, embezzelment scandals, or KGB infiltration in the Moscow patriarchate or the outrageous levels of abortion as contraception in some former Orthodox nations under the heading "By their fruits you shall know them....."

Any such post would remain on file for about 1 minute into the next moderator logging on. Any such poster would likely get the boot in VERY short order.

I am sorry for any posts that have offended you, Simple Sinner. (I am sorry that I do not know your name or if you are male or female, in order to address you more appropriately).

There are, infact, many scandals all over the Orthodox world.

Perhaps we should all remember Christ's admonition to look at the log in our own eye. That is the fruit that I want to be known by. I do not delude myself to being any holier than anyone else, or that I belong to a faith whose members are holier than others. I bow to the many holy members of the Catholic faith through the centuries, saints, laymen, clerics, and Popes, who have inspired me and many to greater acts of holiness in our lives.

As an Orthodox, I apologize for the offense you have taken.

Sincerely in Christ,
Alice

When I read about scandals in the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or Eastern Catholic churches it leads me to one conclusion. The devil is alive, well, and actively trying to do as much damage in as many places as he possibly can.

A Simple Sinner,

There is no double standard here, except maybe your own selective one. If you look further down the column in the threads in this section, there is a thread regarding the OCA scandal. If you have an issue regarding a story that was featured by the Associated Press, take it up with that organization directly.

In the meantime while you are on the subject of attacks, be advised that the tone of your posts has received numerous complaints over the past week plus including the direct accusations of personally attacking posters, including your snarky reply to another administrator this morning regarding his admonition. You are now officially warned either tone it down and post as required of all members or face the necessary action.

Also before accusing one of any double standard and bias, maybe you should examine your history of posts that have little if anything complimentary to give to either the Orthodox Church or anyone trying to maintain an Eastern praxis since you and another poster revel in shouting them down with your posts.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Administrator

I apologized a few posts up. However I again offer an apology and a retraction. Etnick

With that, this thread is now closed.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Administrator