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Purgatorian Archconfraternity
Golgotha Monastery Island, Papa Stronsay,
KW17 2AR, Orkney, Scotland

I have been receiving some of their literature. Interesting....

ALexandr

Slava Isusu Khrystu!

I could be mistaken, I think they are a group of traditional Redemptorist's altough I could very well be wrong. I know that there are some traditionalist Redemptorists in Great Britain and I am not sure if that group you mentioned is part of that. Usually the Purgatorian Society's are affiliated in the U.S. with parishes where there are Redemptorist priests and brothers working.

Does their literature even mention devotion to the Virgin of Perpetual Help?

I hope you find this info helpful.

Slava Isusu Khrystu!

John Doucette

Alexandr,

These are the schismatic bi-ritual Transalpine Redemptorists associated with the SSPX.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Fr. Deacon Lance,

What do you mean by "bi-ritual"? What do they claim to represent?

Terry

Fr. Deacon, say that ten times fast! Anytime your religious affiliation can only be described in a tongue twister it is time to ask yourself some serious life questions.

My concern lies in the extreme polemical nature of the materials they present. As an Orthodox, I shrug off being called a schismatic by under informed Roman Catholics. It is the nature of the game, and it is understood that they are speaking in ignorance of what the Catholic Church actually believes. But this "society", whilst claiming to be Catholic, and having "priests", spouts off the most damning polemics I have ever run across. And I am a veteran of the Evil Cafe and some Old Calendarist forums. Eastern bearded heretics indeed! Maybe a trip to the Scottish Isles would be in order? EG!

Alexandr

One of the lesser problems of this vale of tears is that no matter who one is, and no matter what Church, synagogue, mosque or temple one belongs to (if any), there is inevitably someone and some group out there who will call one a heretic. Since this is a universal constant, the best thing to do about it is pay no more attention than most of us pay to the madness of the Flat Earth Society.

Fr. Serge

They don't have "priests" they have priests.

You know they were mentioned already in a forum thread a few days ago - you posted there...

I first got their lit about ten years ago from someone who thought I would be intersted. Uncanonical organizations affiliated with excommunicated bishops railing against "schismatics" really do not interest me...

But Alexandr I can't help if you are not a little biased in your assesments - I find thier lit to be pretty much on par with what I used to recieve from HOCNA when I got their newsletter for a few years after having ordered one book from their catalog. If anything, the Trans-alpiners are slightly more charitable to whom they would call a "schismatic" recognizing the validity or orders... Some of the Old Calendar stuff rails against the graceless west in such a fashion that a reader would be left to believe we are as lost as pagans...

Fringe is fringe. No better, no worse.

I am rather sad that they are in their canonical isolation and have chosen the path and tone they have... from what I have seen over they years they have done a remarkable job of building a monastery in an environment that is not terribly forgiving. It would be of great value to the Universal Church for them to return to the fold from their isolation. Sadly, their preference for their own world view (this isn't about rites anymore!) has left them very much on their own island, in more ways than one.

Alexandr

The mind boggles as to where they harvested your details.

You have my sympathy

Sinner,

I don't see where Alexandr = HOCNA. That he found the literature of these schismatic Redemptorists to be polemical. uncharitable, etc is neither negated, justified, nor mitigated by the fact that you found HOCNA's to be likewise. One could be excused for not expecting it from so-called Redemptorists; from HOCNA, where's the surprise? (as I once opined, if HOCNA doesn't label you a heretic, you should look at yourself).

Many years,

Neil

What I have read indicates that they are not schismatic. They have some interesting ideas. I started a thread about a group they're associated with - https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/262301#Post262301

good question. smells like their Latin counterparts with the St. Pius the something or other that has problems with Rome. could be schismatic, not sure, but I have a very bad feeling about them.
Much Love,
Jonn

Fr. Serge has a point. Lets close shop.

Irish,

Re-read my post - I never said Alexandr was HOCNA - I just found his contention at the TAR were somehow far worse or "spouts off the most damning polemics I have ever run across" odd. Epecially if he has been hanging out with the more extreme OCs.

Garden variety is garden variety. How one is far worse, I could not see.

Simple Sinner, I am sure that it was a typographical oversight on your part, but please refer to posters by their full monikers or their names, which most include with their posts. Addressing someone as 'Irish' doesn't sound polite, and besides, he is also a Moderator. Thank you. Alice, Moderator

Simple Sinner,

As one who is more familiar with Orthodox nut cases, I ask forgiveness for not being up to date on the Latin whack jobs. The post that you referred to my commenting on was in regards to SSPX'ers in the Ukraine. I ask forgiveness for not associating them with a supposed Catholic Religious Order in Scotland. How daft of me!

As far as HOCNA and the other Orthodox extremists go, they are not of the Church. These people present themselves as being canonically Roman Catholic. Polemics, I expect from those outside of grace, and as such are brushed off as being of no consequence. However, when such polemics come from within a canonical Church, the consequences are more dire. Hence, my concern. But after Fr Deacon Lance's post identifying them as schismatics, my concerns were relieved. If they are RC HOCNAites,
then that explains much, and my earlier contention that they were merely uninformed Roman Catholics was incorrect.

Alexandr

"If they are RC HOCNAites"...

Hmm. I think that might be an apt comparison.

These guys are generally of the " Wouldn't it be nice if the Pope were as Catholic as us" variety. Althought it opens up a can of worms in internet circles that can go on for days/weeks/months/years... Many of us are in agreement: they go beyond canonical impediment of being merely an unrecognized group, to achieve the status of having taken on a distinctive world view.

Originial preteneses of just trying to keep old ritual traditions alive don't seem to hold up in light of the freedoms recently accorded to those in the Latin world with aspirations and attachments to older forms. They have roundly rejected and rebuffed overtures to "come in from the cold" because they have set themselves up with polemics leading one to conclude they are the last of the "Real Catholics"...

Now, now. Some fringe is gold, and some is synthetic.

Fr. Serge