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Originally Posted by Monomakh
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who brought about the Filioque dispute, East or West?

Why did the East have to get into the minute details?

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The West did, by altering the creed, and by introducing a confusion between the Spirit's hypostatic procession (ekporeusis) of origin from the Father alone, with His eternal progression (proienai) as energy from the Father through the Son.

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Originally Posted by Apotheoun
Kataphatic theology applies only to the uncreated energies of God, and not to His essence, and that is why the East rejects the Scholastic analogia entis (cf. St. Gregory Palamas, Capita Physica, no. 78).


Ok, now you are showing off. Cool.

So let's say positive vs. negative theology. One side asserts that that human intelligence can at least approximate divine Truth, having been made in the divine image and likeness. The other side asserts that whatever the human mind posits falls so far short of the divine reality that it is virtually untrue.

Still, these are two moments which exist at the heart of every theological conception or discourse. They are both always true.

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Originally Posted by Monomakh
Father,

who brought about the Filioque dispute, East or West?

Why did the East have to get into the minute details?

Monomakh
The West did, by altering the creed, and by introducing a confusion between the Spirit's hypostatic procession (ekporeusis) of origin from the Father alone, with His eternal progression (proienai) as energy from the Father through the Son.


This is, of course, just one perspective. But, in my opinion, it is a fair one.

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Father Steele,

As Fr. Florovsky said, ". . . there is no similarity between that which comes forth from nothing and the Creator Who verily is, Who brings creatures out of nothing.�

God bless,
Todd

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This thread is out of control and it seems that some of our posters can not follow warnings given by one of the moderators and the other administrator. I am tired of the amount of complaints this thread has generated over the last two days.

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