www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Presidential Poll -- Nov. 2007

Here is the U.S. presidential poll again, this time with Ron Paul. Enjoy.

-- John

If the election were held today, who would you vote for U.S. president? single choice
	I can’t vote in that election because I’m not a U.S. citizen.
	Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
	Barack Obama (Democrat)
	John Edwards (Democrat)
	Rudolph Giuliani (Republican)
	Mitt Romney (Republican)
	Mike Huckabee (Republican)
	Ron Paul (Republican / Libertarian)
	other
	not sure
	no one
Votes accepted starting: 11/28/07 07:53 AM
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I gather that Fred Thompson either doesn't count or has unbeknownst to me dropped out of the race.

I voted for Guiliani despite his baby killer tendencies. I really like Huckabee and Romney.

CDL

Ron Paul

Only because I'm not on the ballot.

Don't be stuck, vote for Huck!
Huck won't pass the buck! Vote Huck!
To avoid things running amuck vote for Huck!

No one voted for Hillary?

Cardinal O�Malley rebukes Democrats on abortion

11/16/2007
Catholic News Agency

On the heels of the US Bishops release of their latest document on Faithful Citizenship which emphasizes the formation of conscience, Bostons' popular Archbishop states that abortion is the most important moral decision facing lawmakers.

BOSTON, MASS (CNA) - The U.S. Bishops have issued their strongest condemnation yet of pro-abortion views with their �Faithful Citizenship� document issued yesterday.

Cardinal Sean O�Malley of Boston also has added his disapproval of pro-abortion candidates in comments to the Boston Globe saying that the support of Catholics for these politicians �borders on scandal�.

Cardinal O'Malley voiced a sentiment that the bishops� latest citizenship document includes, namely that, despite his differences with the Republican Party over immigration policy, capital punishment, economic issues, and the war in Iraq, he views abortion as the most important moral issue facing policymakers.

Noting that many Catholics traditionally support Democrats, O�Malley reamed the Democratic Party for being �extremely insensitive to the church's position, on the gospel of life in particular, and on other moral issues.�

When the cardinal was asked about the many voters who support Democrats who are in favor of abortion, O'Malley said, "I think that, at times, it borders on scandal as far as I'm concerned."

This near-scandal has caused Cardinal O�Malley to challenge his flock about their choices, but his admonitions have only resulted in confused reactions from them. "[W]hen I challenge people about this, they say, 'Well, bishop, we're not supporting [abortion],' " he said. "I think there's a need for people to very actively dissociate themselves from those unacceptable positions, and I think if they did that, then the party would have to change."

The vast majority of the U.S. Bishops seem to agree with Cardinal O�Malley since a full 98% of them approved the �Faithful Citizenship� document yesterday.

The statement goes beyond previous ones by explicitly declaring abortion, cloning, and embryonic research to be "intrinsically evil" and warning that support for such immoral acts could endanger a Catholic voter's salvation.

This time the bishops also took the further step of pointing out that abortion or any other act which destroys life is a more serious issue than any other, saying, �[t]he direct and intentional destruction of innocent human life is always wrong and is not just one issue among many."

In comments to Boston Globe reporter Michael Paulson, Cardinal O�Malley said, "In the past, there was always the fear that we were considering sort of the smorgasbord of issues, but without any prioritizing, or giving the impression that all issues are of equal value, and I think the emphasis on trying to help people form conscience is very, very important," he said.

"The church is not trying to impose Catholic doctrine on the world, but we are trying to invite our people to take seriously their obligation to vote in a way that respects the moral law, the natural law, and takes into account the common good, care for the poor, and particularly the gospel of life, which is always the center of Catholic social teaching

Good, it's about time.

I have a serious question for Huckabee supporters and not just looking for a fight. First of all, let me say, that if Huckabee can be trusted to get rid of the IRS, that's a major plus in my book.

Other then that, what do you believe Huckabee will do outside the status quo?

Just another thing that worries me about Huckabee is his views that it is the Christian duty of the United States to give billions of dollars every year to Israel, and perhaps even fight wars to defend Israel.

We've seen what one Protestant Evangelical's Foreign Policy has done for us in the world. How will Huck's be any different?

interestingly enough, I just got my preferential ballot from the Republican National Committee. I'll send it back marked for Rudy (why Rudy? besides the fact that I have always had a warm spot for Gotham, my first ancestors from Europe settled in New Amsterdam in 1639 (the Native ancestors were there to greet them), I have two Italo-American half brothers, and a whole slew of Eyetalians for blood relatives, he did wrought miracles in Gotham as it became a lot safer under his watch, he's Catholic, and he likes baseball: though I wish he was a Mets
fan , and I once had a hamster named Rudy). as far as being of "baby killer" opinions, at least he's honest, the ones who have sung praises to the pro life movement had turned out to be a lot of wind, and cynically used the pro life vote to get into office. Huckabee? let me say this for him:he's the first "Fundamentalist" who has realized that we need better stewardship of the Earth and its resources. there is more and more awareness of this fact in the Evangelical and Fundamentalist communities.
Much Love,
Jonn

I can't say what he would do, but I am attracted to his moral certitude. Policy-wise, it's hard to say how he would act in office and it is as hard to know if he will be able to gain the trust and support of congress.

Fiscally, President Bush was moderate as Governor for Texas, and his temper has been moderate as President. His "compassionate conservativism", working with Sen. Kennedy on the education bill, the other fiscal decisions. Perhaps Huckabee will move away from that and, with his oratory skills, wrangle congress to pass bills he supports.

I know where you're going with this, and I can't imagine Ron Paul gaining the support of congress (or the general public for that matter).

Terry

I'm seriously not trying to argue, I just want to invision what a Huckabee Administration would do differently then our current administration. He is a great, elequant speaker, and does seem to be a moral man. I wish my guy Ron Paul spoke as well as Huckabee!

I'm a young 26 year old with a wife and child. I don't like what the government has been doing these past eight years, and want a president that is going to make changes in Washington to prevent our country from going into economic ruin. The dollar is falling, we're spending trillions of dollars policing the world, and our trade deficit is huge.

I'm not an Huckabee hater. I just want to know more about what he'll do to change the direction America is going.

As far as influencing congress, I don't believe our congress is swayed by great orators. Politicians are swayed by what will get them votes and donations in the next election.

As far as Ron Paul being able to single handidly bring back America to greatness, not going to happen. What a Ron Paul presidency would do is correct our foreign policy (saving trillions), and bring many issues up for debate in the congress and public arena that would not have otherwise been discussed. Ron Paul recently said that it's what he WON'T do as president that should be considered a plus for him.

As far a public support, if he gets elected he should have it.

I'm going to Huckabee's website right now to see if I can get more answers!

So far I have found I can divide the candidates into two categories:

1) Candidates I REALLY don't like.

2) Candidates I don't dislike as much as group #1.

My father keeps threatening to run... and I think I could cast a vote enthusiastically for him! But that may be a little too ambitous of a starting point for a small business man who has never run for office before... sigh.

His platform would be smaller govenrment, pro-life, less taxes, Bob Seegar's birthday as a national holiday, and stricter beer brewing laws.