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I have a question that may have been answered during the Thanksgiving break.

What is the difference between the "Anglican Rite" which has been talked about and the current Anglican Use of the Roman Rite which was allowed with the pastoral provision of John Paul II?

Terry

Terry,

I could be mistaken, but as far as I can tell, the discussion of the creation of an "Anglican rite" is essentially discussion of the theoretical creation of a sui juris type body of Anglicans who would then use the Anglican Use. As it stands right now, the Anglican Use IS an Anglican Rite Catholic litrugy.

To my knowledge that Anglican Use is exclusive to 7 or 8 US convert parishes (no such provision was made for the 400+ Anglican convert clergy in England). The creation of a seperate body of some sort to recieve Anglican clergy and faithful similar in some respects to Eastern Catholic Churches is what is being rumored to be discussed.

I am no insider by any stretch, but from rumors I have read, when the issue was discussed at some length 10 years ago in Rome, it was met with tepid disinterest in most places with the notable exception of a certain German cardinal.

I will leave you to guess which certain German Cardinal that was... If you need a hint... Well let's just say he got a serious promotion about three years ago.

Interesting times!

-Simple

Simple,

So it was a "pastoral provision" because it was to particular exemptions of the norm? I was not around when this was going on so I missed the scope of the matter.

This development is exciting, though I do wonder how catechesis will be worked out.

Terry

My experience with a TX pastoral provision parish leads me to believe they came in with catechesis enough to explain a thing or two to cradle Catholics! They are rather committed and traditional.

The Pastoral Provision was put into place to make allowances for parishes that were coming in en masse. The PP parishes that are in existence are subject to the local RC bishop, just the same as any "national" or "enthnic" parish is... Currently, talk of an Anglican Rite sometimes is in reference to the possible creation of an entire diocesan type structure to accomadate converts. Rumors abound on the matter, but to date, little official progress on the creation of any such structure has been announced.

I'd agree with this interpretation. In my talks with pastoral provision people they discussion has always been for parishes under the RC bishop and not a new body.

... and to allow married Episcopal priests to become Catholics, and in certain circumstances (including finding a bishop who would "incardinate" them and give them real pastoral work to) to allow them to be ordained as Catholic priests. The celibate Anglican Priests, such as Fr. George Rutler in NY, could be received and ordained right away, since no economic provision was necessary to support a family.

I have known a number of these priests and their families, and they are exemplary individuals.

My understanding as well.

Do you happen to know of any RC priest who did not come in under the Pastoral Provision, who has been granted the right to celebrate using the "Anglican Usage"?

Michael

P.S. To my mind, it should be seriously considered as a contender for the "reform of the reform".