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During the liturgy,a deacon will bind his orar. That could be what you are thinking of. But I am unfamiliar with an orar around the waist, and I have served in Presov and Michalovce.
Alexandr I eat crow on this one Sasha.
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Pics of the Divine Liturgy served on December 9th at Saints Peter and Paul Orthodox Church of Manville, NJ can be found at http://www.ssppoc.org/news_071210_1.html# One of the two concelebrating priests was Father David Straut, one of our Byzantine Forum members. I am wondering if you can give us your impressions of the event and how that Liturgy can help pave the way for more such encounters in the future. God grant you many years! Ray
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A Protodeacon is an honorific, usually given for long service, usually associated with a cathederal or a principal church. A protodeacon then may claim precedence when serving with other deacons. ( The old primacy thing again? Not the Pope of deacons, merely the first among them! LOL!) Protodeacon literally translates as "first deacon". The vestments for a protodeacon differ from a deacon, in regards to the orar. The Orar of a protodiakon crosses his chest, whilst a deacons hangs straight down. [ Linked Image] Deacon [ Linked Image] Protodiakon As regards a protopriest, again an honorific given to a priest usually for long service . It is the highest rank a priest can obtain, in the Russian tradition it includes the right to the nabredenik, palitza, mitre and double jeweled cross. Hope that helps Alexandr Give me a little bit, but the Carpatho-mountaineer Deacons sport a style more like the Russian protodeacon picture above. the orar goes around the waist. Deacon Lance, Deacon El, anyone, please explain. I can't explain it as much as I could totally show you. I'll find a picture to show the differences in the small tradition. Sidenote, the Byzcaths and the ACROD wear the orar the same. In Carpatho-Russian and Galician Ukrainian churches, deacons wear their orars in a fashion similar to Russian protodeacons. This is according to Greek usage. See my own pic in the photogallery below-advertising the recent mission at Holy Ghost Church in Jessup, Pa. Dn. Robert
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Dear Friends,
Old Rite Orthodox Bishops wear what looks like an Orarion that flows down from their left shoulder.
Our bishops don't have that - what is that and what is its provenance and meaning?
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It's an Omophorion (or Amafor, as the Old-Ritualists spell the same word) and our Bishops certainly wear it.
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Bless, Father Archimandrite of Dublin and all the Eastern Irish!
Do our bishops wear it in the same way? I thought the Old Riters wear it down the left shoulder? Is that my overactive imagination?
Also, did they appear to deliberately misspell words - is it that they didn't believe in linguistic development or what?
Finally, what was it about the spelling of the Name of Jesus that they didn't like?
Alex
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Old Rite Orthodox Bishops wear what looks like an Orarion that flows down from their left shoulder. Alex, FWIW, I've noticed that Pope Benedict wears an omophor (although I believe he still calls it a pallium, per the Latin tradition), which he wears from the left shoulder, rather than pinned to hang from the center. This seems to correspond to the usage you describe for the Old Rite bishops. The Pope, of course, wears this over the chasuble and stole, while the Eastern bishops wear it over a sticharion, with no phelonion or epitrachelion underneath.  Peace, Deacon Richard
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"The Pope, of course, wears this over the chasuble and stole, while the Eastern bishops wear it over a sticharion, with no phelonion or epitrachelion underneath."
Eastern bishops wear an epitrachelion and sakkos underneath the omophor. Unless you are refering to a certain bishop who has a penchant for wearing the omophor over sticharion when concelebrating with Latins.
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