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I just watched a couple of the videos, they were very beautiful! I saw that in the video when the people received the Holy Eucharist, they then went to the side where the server gave them small cups of something to drink. Could anyone explain what this was? I had never seen nor heard of this practice before and was very curious.
God bless and keep you.... All Orthodox give pieces of blessed bread immediately after the communicants have received Holy Communion. As Etnick said, the Russians also give them wine mixed with some hot water. It is indeed to wash down the Holy Gifts and make sure that no particle of the Holy Body and Blood of Christ remains in their mouths. Some theorise that this is a remnant of the original agape meal that accompanied the Eucharist in early times Fr David Straut
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All Orthodox give pieces of blessed bread immediately after the communicants have received Holy Communion. Father, in my parish the bozhe bread is sometimes distributed after communion, but most often not until the end. In the Greek churches I've been in, antidoron has only been distributed after the dismissal and during the veneration of the cross.
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How wonderful to see our good friends, Father Serge, Edward, and this "mustard seed" community at worship! Thanks for posting these links! God bless, Gordo
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All Orthodox give pieces of blessed bread immediately after the communicants have received Holy Communion. Father, in my parish the bozhe bread is sometimes distributed after communion, but most often not until the end. In the Greek churches I've been in, antidoron has only been distributed after the dismissal and during the veneration of the cross. Only one Greek Orthodox church I have ever attended did not have antidoron available right after Holy Communion. This parish had no real 'artos'..and didn't even think to give a bakery the recipe for 'artos', but rather used Italian bread consistently! Their response to not having bread after Holy Communion: 'we don't have enough bread'!  In my present parish, we always have (real) 'arto' available after Holy Communion (and at the end of Divine Liturgy) thanks to some young women who have learned to make it... Alice
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I am naturally pleased, and so is Edward, that people are enjoying these video clips and that they are stimulating some discussion.
Henry IX is a side issue, but for what it's worth: there was considerable support for the Stuarts in Ireland; the Irish virtually constituted the Stuart Army that remained in being after Prince Charles left Scotland following the disaster of Culloden. Upon the death of Charles (III), Henry was generally recognized as King by the Stuart supporters (he managed to combine his Royal duties with his "day job" as Bishop of Frascati).
Once Henry reposed, interest in the Stuarts generally waned in Ireland; the Stuart claimants since then are aware of the position, and have never renounced it, but have not done very much about it either (the late King Rupert was proclaimed a few times in Oxford by students, probably more as a curiosity than as a political statement - on at least one of these occasions the student reciting the Proclamation stood on the "Martyrs Memorial", honoring certain heretics!). Then again, there wasn't much left to do.
There is still Stuart sentiment in Scotland, of course - and if there were a suitable Prince of the Royal House, he might do worse than to lead the movement for Scottish independence. However, no such person has yet appeared on the horizon.
But who knows; the hour of grace may yet strike!
Fr. Serge
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Hmmm. Well, if (some) of the clans would rise for a Frenchman
like Prince Charles Edward, they might for a Bavarian or
Lichtensteiner. I wonder what Scots with a Bavarian accent
sounds like.
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Only one Greek Orthodox church I have ever attended did not have antidoron available right after Holy Communion. This parish had no real 'artos'..and didn't even think to give a bakery the recipe for 'artos', but rather used Italian bread consistently! Their response to not having bread after Holy Communion: 'we don't have enough bread'! In my present parish, we always have (real) 'arto' available after Holy Communion (and at the end of Divine Liturgy) thanks to some young women who have learned to make it... Alice I think it actually may have been more of an issue of a shortage altar servers to distribute the antidoron. There's no real rhyme or reason as far as I can tell as to why we have it sometimes after communion and after liturgy, and sometimes only after liturgy.
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I think it actually may have been more of an issue of a shortage altar servers to distribute the antidoron. There's no real rhyme or reason as far as I can tell as to why we have it sometimes after communion and after liturgy, and sometimes only after liturgy. It could also have been due to the simple fact that the church had run out of the prosphora which is cut up to make the antidoron. This is not an unimaginable occurance. I find few parishioners care to help bake prosphora, although - in my experience - they all want prosphora!  Fr David Straut
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The Antiphon was enlightening. I recognized the Beatitudes.
Thank you, Fr. Serge.
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You are most welcome!
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Keep them coming, Father Serve, keep them coming! I love seeing videos of other Liturgies than the one I am used to. Any chance of seeing a Liturgy from Dublin? Any chance of another visit to America, State College, Pennsylvania in particular? We're the home of Penn State University. Maybe we can figure out a way to get you hear and pay for the honor? I'll have to think about that.
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Keep thinking, by all means!
Meanwhile I have a DVD showing portions of the Liturgy offered here several years ago by Patriarch Gregory III of Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem and All the East. I'll see how it can be posted.
Fr. Serge
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