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I wonder if this group is associated with the Southern Baptist Convention? The SBC is intellectually dishonest and corrupt, in my opinion. I think that you will find that in many baptist mission organizations, there is an approach of, "whatever works to get people in the door," even if it includes outright lying. I know this as one raised Southern Baptist. On a related note, I found two books by Jehovah's Witnesses' in our children's library. I promptly informed my priest and was going to burn them but he said, "just throw them in the dumpster, they are not worth the effort of burning," and so we did.
Joe Consider next time annotating the multiple errors. I don't really believe in dangerous books or ideas... I mostly believe the danger is always in lack of catechesis.
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I wonder if this group is associated with the Southern Baptist Convention? The SBC is intellectually dishonest and corrupt, in my opinion. I think that you will find that in many baptist mission organizations, there is an approach of, "whatever works to get people in the door," even if it includes outright lying. I know this as one raised Southern Baptist. On a related note, I found two books by Jehovah's Witnesses' in our children's library. I promptly informed my priest and was going to burn them but he said, "just throw them in the dumpster, they are not worth the effort of burning," and so we did.
Joe Consider next time annotating the multiple errors. I don't really believe in dangerous books or ideas... I mostly believe the danger is always in lack of catechesis. You don't think that a children's book that pictures Jesus dying on a stake and saying that he was raised as a Spirit, i.e. non-bodily is dangerous? How many eight year olds are going to read through annotations and be able to appreciate the subtleties of Orthodox vs. Arian Christology? Joe
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I wonder if this group is associated with the Southern Baptist Convention? The SBC is intellectually dishonest and corrupt, in my opinion. I think that you will find that in many baptist mission organizations, there is an approach of, "whatever works to get people in the door," even if it includes outright lying. I know this as one raised Southern Baptist. On a related note, I found two books by Jehovah's Witnesses' in our children's library. I promptly informed my priest and was going to burn them but he said, "just throw them in the dumpster, they are not worth the effort of burning," and so we did.
Joe Consider next time annotating the multiple errors. I don't really believe in dangerous books or ideas... I mostly believe the danger is always in lack of catechesis. You don't think that a children's book that pictures Jesus dying on a stake and saying that he was raised as a Spirit, i.e. non-bodily is dangerous? How many eight year olds are going to read through annotations and be able to appreciate the subtleties of Orthodox vs. Arian Christology? Joe And...is now in heaven as Michael???  Just the kind of stuff kids need to hear to pull them farther away from the truth.
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Consider next time annotating the multiple errors.
I don't really believe in dangerous books or ideas... I mostly believe the danger is always in lack of catechesis. You don't think that a children's book that pictures Jesus dying on a stake and saying that he was raised as a Spirit, i.e. non-bodily is dangerous? How many eight year olds are going to read through annotations and be able to appreciate the subtleties of Orthodox vs. Arian Christology? Joe Who in God's green acre said I thought children should receive as much? WHO? Don't be pedantic - if you ever read my comments at all you know there is no way I would think that giving such to children would be anything but foolish. Come on now Joe. Put that in the file for your adult catechism class - JW's WILL knock on the door of your faithful's homes soon enough. Show them in advance what garbage it is.
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I have an ancient tattered Greek-English Bible that dates back to the 19th Century -- a watchtower edition. However, it was published before the words in John 1 were changed, so I saved it.
When you show that edition to a young JW, they may begin to question their denomination which changes its beliefs with every publication of their magazine.
Shifting sands.
His Grace Bishop Basil of the Antiochians has been known to take his Greek bible and read John 1 to the JWs. They flee.
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Do you have the url where we can see this "Chief Rabbi of a Hebrew Catholic synogogue?"
There is a man who claims to be an Native American Orthodox/Catholic Bishop and who uses a curtain rod as his shepherd's staff. I forgot his url, but he is somewhere in America leading people astray.
It is truly sad. ...Alexander Swift Eagle Justice... Check out Swift Eagle Justice's website. I am not sure how he decides which set of vestments he will wear on which days. http://www.education-1.net/justicelines.htmas to Rabbi Richard Gamboa, Chief Rabbi of Bnei Tzion:Catholics of Hebrew Tradition see http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com/Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon, Actually "Rabbi Richard" is legitimate. He is a member of the Association Of Hebrew Catholics [ hebrewcatholic.org]. They are based out of St. Louis and have chapters world-wide of Jewish Catholics.
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Do you have the url where we can see this "Chief Rabbi of a Hebrew Catholic synogogue?"
There is a man who claims to be an Native American Orthodox/Catholic Bishop and who uses a curtain rod as his shepherd's staff. I forgot his url, but he is somewhere in America leading people astray.
It is truly sad. ...Alexander Swift Eagle Justice... Check out Swift Eagle Justice's website. I am not sure how he decides which set of vestments he will wear on which days. http://www.education-1.net/justicelines.htmas to Rabbi Richard Gamboa, Chief Rabbi of Bnei Tzion:Catholics of Hebrew Tradition see http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com/Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon, Actually "Rabbi Richard" is legitimate. He is a member of the Association Of Hebrew Catholics [ hebrewcatholic.org]. They are based out of St. Louis and have chapters world-wide of Jewish Catholics. Well that is good to know. Thanks
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I never meant to imply he wasn't - and hope no one thinks that was the case. It was just a case of me reading about it, scratching my head, and saying "well if that don't beat all" Its good to know we have some Catholic Rabbis. Who knew?
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Actually it only mentions one of the Ratisbon brothers, two converted and became Catholic priests and founded the order Daughters of Zion, I visited their Church in Israel this past November. One of them had a vision of the BVM and converted the other brother to the faith. Stephanos I
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Dear Young Fogey,
You are absolutely correct, Sir Serge!
One way Lutheranism got a strong foothold in Scandinavia was by simply leaving the Catholic outward sacramentals the way they were and so many people had no idea they belonged to a different Church other than Catholic. It was because the Lutherans looked so "Catholic" when they arrived America that they shared the persecuted fate of Catholics there.
It was the Ukrainian Orthodox Metropolitan Ilarion Ohienko who spent twenty years translating the Bible in modern Ukrainian (an excellent translation!) and this is the translation the Bible Societies use.
Ohienko had to agree to have the OT Protestant canon printed sans the deuterocanonicals. But, in turn, he insisted on having the Orthodox three-bar Cross imprinted on the front cover.
Protestants have been using that Cross ever since, no problem.
And the Lutherans of the Eastern Rite simply took with them some of their UGCC ritual and ceremonial dress. Had they lived in North America, they would undoubtedly have joined the Ukrainian Orthodox Church movement of Svystun and the like - and 90% + of the members are today descendants of Ukrainian Catholics.
Perhaps the Orthodox outward clothing will get those Baptists reading the Church Fathers . . . one may only hope.
Happy New Year to you, sir!
Alex
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And the priests of the Assyrian Church of the East are also referred to as . . . "Rabbi."
The Vatican has officially allowed Hebrew Catholics to include Jewish ritual in their celebration of the Mass - on EWTN there is a Hebrew Catholic who habitually wears a yarmulke et alia. And in one of their articles, they even mentioned the issue of a "Hebrew Catholic Patriarchate" based on the lines of the "proposed UGCC patriarchate!"
Oy vey!!
Shalom Aleichem! Ba shana haba bi-Yerushalayim! (Next year, in Jerusalem!).
Alex
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