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Dear Rose,

So well said! The prayers of monastics protect us all! May God bless THEM abundantly! smile

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It could very well be that Greece would be in a horrible state without those monks interceding for them. I mean why should just try to destroy the churches on the mainland too, go for the gusto must be how they are thinking. And there was a discussion about the protestants wanting to evangelize Greece. I tend to think those monks are the ones who have kept the faith alive.
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The Holy Mountain is indeed a Mount of the Theotokos and her intercession will prevail.

The monks will certainly not give up without a fight, either. smile

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Dear Diak,

As an aside, what you said reminds me of the Icon of the Mother of God the Abbess (Ihumena) from Mt Athos that is at the Pochaiv Lavra today.

The icon is enshrined in the main cathedral and before any service is conducted, the priests and deacons et al. go to the Icon to ask the blessing of the Mother of God - just as one would go to a priest or bishop before the liturgy etc.

The original icon is kept on the Cathedra Seat on Athos.

Whenever the monks tried to move it, it would always return to the Cathedra . . .

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Well, this is the way the New World Order works. The new religion of humanity when man is God, of global fraternity and free trade, what a happy world!

If people think the Vatican is not a target, this will probably change in some years. Socialist Euromen must also become a secular state, granting religious freedom in its constitution and a government with both men and women.

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Well, I'm glad there is religious freedom and that both men and women can participate in government.

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Well, I'm glad there is religious freedom and that both men and women can participate in government.
But how long will religous freedom last? What happens when the religion of one group doesn't follow the rules that another group thinks are just? Who will decide what is a human right violation and what is freedom entails? Yes, men and women should participate in goverment...but this issue isn't about whether women are allowed to participate in goverment; it's about how a group of men choose to practice their faith. It's about a culture and heritage that has existed for over a thousand years. As has been said, Mount Athos belongs to the Theotokos...no other woman need apply, no other woman is necessary.

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I just don't feel that the EU is part of some conspiracy known as the "New World Order" Life is much more complicated then that as we all know.

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Part of the problem is that when you take money from the EU's hands - as the Athonite monasteries have, life get's difficult.

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Separation of Church and State is good only when no money is involved.

The US governments take money from us parents who send their children to parochial schools and WE don't get to have a word in it.

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The US governments take money from us parents who send their children to parochial schools and WE don't get to have a word in it.
Well I think that we do, although the outcome may not be what you want. Of course the governments take money also from those with no children in the schools.

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Joe says that the US goverment takes money away from parents who send their children to parochial schools, and djs also adds that the goverment also takes money away from those who do not even have children.
Maybe this money goes to the care and education of those children whose parents cannot afford to give their children the privilege of going to parochial schools or maybe this money goes to the care of the ones who have no parents as well.
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Maybe this money goes to the care and education of those children whose parents cannot afford to give their children the privilege of going to parochial schools or maybe this money goes to the care of the ones who have no parents as well.
I appreciate your concern for those who may be less fortunate.

But here is the scoop in other things:

The taxes for the local schools go to the local government (our city), excluding US Federal handouts.

Our local school system has some of the highest paid teachers in several counties, our city's tax rate is the highest in NE Ohio, and the performance of our local schools is dismal, next to Cleveland's. Nobody on my street sends their children to the public school here. Not even the mayor. They ALL go to parochial schools. My parents took my older brother out of the parochial schools back in the late 60s because the same school system (I live one street over from where I grew up as a child) was the best. Now its the opposite.

Don't assume that I am rich and that is why I am sending our child to a parochial school.

I even pay double because I wish to remain a Byzantine Catholic - even though the parish at the school was my wife's home parish. In all things, my friend, we sacrifice many things to give our child a good school. I won't sacrifice my religion for the sake of a cheaper tuition. However, the flip-side to reality, per the school's finance director, is that most Latin parents who register at the school's parish rarely , if ever, make up the difference in their weekly parish offerings. They drive their children in brand new Hummers, SUVs, and live in nicer homes than mine, but don't contribute.

They, like those less fortunate who maybe have no parents or lack funds, take advantage of the school by not contributing at all. Period. Even though their local parish is just across the street from their home, they register out of town because of the school.

For the amount of money that my city takes from me in taxes, I would be able to afford a better school than the one he's at now. But those high paid teachers, who have successfully lowered the local school's quality down to almost gutter-level, need the money more than I do. As they always tell us, "Its for the cheeeldren?"

Joe,
Unemployed taxpayer (that's right, the city still needs its money whether I am working or not).

BTW, my former coworker loved Brazil. He was always afraid of flying until he went to Brazil to work on a steel mill project. Over the past two years, he has mastered quite well the Portuguese language. He also has a few lady friends there. He goes back to Brazil for all his vacations these days. Another coworker, who is still in Brazil, is almost married. What do you folks put in your water? wink

But back to Athos and their monetary handout (now with strings attached) ...

I brought up the school system because there are several private schools and colleges that refuse to take Federal money. Once the Fed government gives you money, it has a right to meddle and dictate. Likewise, if the Athonite monks knew up front that there were strings attached, they probably would have let the buildings continue to rot.

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Dear Joe,
Things are way from easy down here as well. I hope you get a job soon and I'm pretty sure you will.
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Things are way from easy down here as well. I hope you get a job soon and I'm pretty sure you will.
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Lauro,

Thank you. I now have some leads - finally. Next week might be a lot better.

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Joe:

The Good Lord will come through for you in your job search. He has for me many times in my career.

Surrender to Him and let Him take the lead.

The last time I faced a really tough situation I remember during my morning walk praying the morning prayers and just stopping. I told Jesus that if He wanted me to have a job He'd have to do it because I couldn't. I told Him that if He wanted me to be homeless or to starve then His Will be done. The only thing I asked for was that my wife and children be spared from the same things. In two weeks a job opportunity that I could never have dreamed of dropped in my lap. That was seven years ago.

When He takes the lead, miracles happen to those who are faithful to Him.

In Christ,

BOB

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