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Dear Marian,
Thank you for the clip on video. However, I would like a written statement published in a book or article.
Since the Romanian Orthodox Church has always been so active in the WCC and also invited the Pope to visit I find the views on the web site you provided discouraging and distressfull. The Romanian Orthodox Church has been known for its irenical stance.

Can you please tell me if Father Ioanichie Balan and the Romanian elders on the web site; are part of the Old Calendar Church in Romania?

I seem to recognise FR. Balan's name from publications in Orthodox Life , a publication of the ROCOR which published writings from the Old Calendar Orthodox in Romania.

Thank you for any information you provide.

Seems to me that in the anti- movement "ecumenism" is used with the meaning of "relativism"; while in the pro- movement, it is meant to clarify differences to come to better understanding...

Continues to be irenical and so we will be.


No. The Orthodox Church.

Father Staniloae expressed a thought a little before his passing, being visited by some members of the Orthodox Youth League. Audio document. You can translate. In the beginning of that video, he uses the word "prea", it was (I have no idea by whom) by the word "really". It is a difference. Prea stresses a doubt, cautious. Open door.

I have no idea how a ecumenical dialog can happen. The RC brothers must begin to learn very well not only Greek, but also Romanian etc.

With these said, I end here any participation in this particular thread.

Thank you very much for all the salient points you made here about the Orthodox Church in Romania. Those of us sitting in relative peace and comfort in the west can have no real conception of the conditions under which the faith was kept alive in countries like Romania.

Brigid

This is shameful and unexcusable. A Latin cleric, of any rank, should know about Eastern Catholics, especially if he serves in a parish two blocks from an Eastern Catholic one.

Sadly, this is not an isolated case. Ignorance, and not always of the invincible kind, permeates the relationships between Latin and non-Latin Catholics.

As a member of the Latin church I offer apologies to each and all my Eastern Catholic bretheren my church has mistreated.

Shalom,
Memo

Romanian elders are completely right about ecumenism. I am reading a book written by elder Cleopa Ilie ''A Way to Ressurection''. There are so many miracles he did in his lifetime and after his death.
Pray for us, elder Cleopa and strenghtenus in our orthodox faith!

Elizabeth Maria,

As inexcusable as it is for Latin priests to be so woefully ignorant of their fellow Eastern Catholics I have found that the Latin bishops are not. When the Latin bishop is written to and made aware of doings of his errant priests he is quick to apologize and correct his priest in the limited cases of which I have knowledge. Were the latin bishops notified in the cases you mention?

Fr. Deacon Lance

Oh, yes, and Mahony paid a visit to the parish and I will not mention the disrespectful comments he made.

Let's just say that quite a few of us left and became Orthodox.

Elizabeth Maria

Here on Byzcath , whether we are of their Church or not we try and show the respect that is due to Clergy.

Thus Dr Rowan Williams is given his title - Archbishop of Canterbury , and despite what we feel , the Clergyman to whom you refer above is Roger , Cardinal Mahony

C. I. X.

Not contradicting the keepers of this sight nor justifying the users, just an observation. In our XXI c. text messaging society were George III is President George W Bush and B 16 is Pope Benedict XVI referring to clergy by last names may not be disrespectful just modern �inclusive language�. Unlike Old Slavonic the vernacular may be vulgar.

Maybe we are just 'old fashioned here '.

Text messaging shorthand is OK for use in text messages - but not in other areas.

Could this sort of thing [ text speak ] be a reason for poor command of English among University students ?

OLS:

Could be. The problem with all the shorthand is that it can leave enough space in between for each one to insert his own meaning--an outgrowth of the "deconstruction" of language.

OTOH, society has been on such a downward tragectory as far as respect for the "other" that it can easily be transferred to those who have lawful authority. It's too easy to forget that whether WE like it or not, the Holy Spirit has been at work and placed certain men in authroity in the Church. We owe them obedience--not a word or concept readily liked, accepted, or practiced in the United States--respect for their office, and respect for their person as one of the Baptised. Just because we may not like someone, we cannot forget that that one also has the gift of God's irrevocable covenant. That "other" is also one of those that God has adopted into His Family of which we, too, are members. And while siblings may fight--as they do in every family--dear Old DAD demands that we respect one another. Don't know about you, but my father was adamant about this latter area: we were family first and while we might disagree we were at the end of the day still family and expected to act like family.

Meanwhile, we have to remember that it is still "lonely at the top," whether one is the President of the country or the bishop of the diocese or eparchy. While there are those who like the bishop and those who may dislke him, even his clergy give him a wide margin if they can get away with it. My own bishop told me a few years ago that he doesn't fraternize with the clergy for that reason. They're always on their guard about what they feel free to say or do and he's always wondering if soemthing he says will be mis-interpreted or re-told so many times it bears no resemblance to what he said or meant.

And we've also got to think that sometimes the bishop gets his info from those around him who take the opportunity to manipulate his decisions for their own gain or to give someone else a hard time.

Come to think of it, when I get on my knees tonight to thank God for all His gifts today, I'm going to add thanks for NOT making me a bishop.

In Christ,

BOB

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In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
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