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Life must be protected from womb until old age.

I lived under communism/socialism. I do not know how to say it in English...Much utilitarianism. Utile things, utile politics etc.

Until some men became futile and terror was high. Then the economy became weaker and all became a matter of surviving.

A little heart is beating. Two eyes look wondered. A little body moves. Then metallic claws come inside the woman's womb and break in bloody parts that wonderful little angel. Or the little angel is broke and aspirated out or is burned by all kind of liquids.

It is beyond my understanding why there are people who are pro-abortion.

If the humanity reached to break or aspire out the eyes of a little angel, how will this humanity look into the eyes of our Lord Jesus Christ?

This life is like a flower, like a blade of grass, so will pass our life...

God have much mercy!

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I got this from an article from the GOP. I know this talks about Obama. But this artile is about his wife. So you'll know what kind of people they are (both Obama and Michelle).

NO Christian should be supporting ANYONE that supports abortion rights at all...PERIOD.

NO Christian in the right mind should support anything that's IMMORAL...that includes abusing environment, economy, education, immoral health care, and have abortion rights.

I am quite bothered about the "CHANGES" that Obama is proposing. I am quite bothered that some of you are brainwashed and hypotized by Obama regarding to his platform, agenda and his so-called proposed "changes."

Read on....

"Michelle Obama's America -- And Mine"

By Michelle Malkin
February 20, 2008

Like Michelle Obama, I am a "woman of color." Like Michelle Obama, I am a working mother of two young children. Like Michelle Obama, I am a member of the 13th generation of Americans born since the founding of our great nation.

Unlike Michelle Obama, I can't keep track of the number of times I've been proud -- really proud -- of my country since I was born and privileged to live in it.

At a speech in Milwaukee this week on behalf of her husband's Democratic presidential campaign, Mrs. Obama remarked, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

Mrs. Obama's statement was met with warm applause from other Barack supporters who have apparently also been devoid of pride in their country for their adult lifetimes. Or maybe it was just a Pavlovian response to the word "change." What a sad, empty, narcissistic, ungrateful, unthinking lot.

I'm just seven years younger than Mrs. Obama. We've grown up and lived in the same era. And yet, her self-absorbed attitude is completely foreign to me. What planet is she living on? Since when was now the only time the American people have ever been "hungry for change"? Michelle, ma belle, Barack is not the center of the universe. Newsflash: The Obamas did not invent "change" any more than Hillary invented "leadership" or John McCain invented "straight talk."

We were both adults when the Berlin Wall fell, Michelle. That was earth-shattering change.

We've lived through two decades' worth of peaceful, if contentious election cycles under the rule of law, which have brought about "change" and upheaval, both good and bad.

We were adults through several launches of the space shuttle, in case you were snoozing. And as adults, we've witnessed and benefited from dizzyingly rapid advances in technology, communications, science and medicine pioneered by American entrepreneurs who yearned to change the world and succeeded. You want "change"? Go ask the patients whose lives have been improved and extended by American pharmaceutical companies that have flourished under the best economic system in the world.

If American ingenuity, a robust constitutional republic and the fall of communism don't do it for you, hon, then how about American heroism and sacrifice?

How about every Memorial Day? Every Veterans Day? Every Independence Day? Every Medal of Honor ceremony? Has she never attended a welcome home ceremony for the troops?

For me, there's the thrill of the Blue Angels roaring over cloudless skies. And the somber awe felt amid the hallowed waters that surround the sunken U.S.S. Arizona at the Pearl Harbor memorial.

Every naturalization ceremony I've attended, where hundreds of new Americans raised their hands to swear an oath of allegiance to this land of liberty, has been a moment of pride for me. So have the awesome displays of American compassion at home and around the world. When millions of Americans rallied to help victims of the 2004 tsunami in Southeast Asia -- including members of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group that sped from Hong Kong to assist survivors -- my heart filled with pride. It did again when the citizens of Houston opened their arms to Hurricane Katrina victims and folks across the country rushed to their churches, and Salvation Army and Red Cross offices to volunteer.

How about American resilience? Does that not make you proud? Only a heart of stone could be unmoved by the strength, valor and determination displayed in New York, Washington, D.C., and Shanksville, Pa., on September 11, 2001.

I believe it was Michael Kinsley who quipped that a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth. In this case, it's what happens when an elite Democratic politician's wife says what a significant portion of the party's base really believes to be the truth: America is more a source of shame than pride.

Michelle Obama has achieved enormous professional success, political influence and personal acclaim in America. Ivy League-educated, she's been lauded by Essence magazine as one of the 25 World's Most Inspiring Women; by Vanity Fair as one of the 10 World's Best-Dressed Women; and named one of "The Harvard 100" most influential alumni. She has had an amazingly blessed life. But you wouldn't know it from her campaign rhetoric and her griping about her and her husband's student loans.

For years, we've heard liberals get offended at any challenge to their patriotism. And so they are again aggrieved and rising to explain away Mrs. Obama's remarks.

Lady Michelle and her defenders protest too much.

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Michelle Malkin is author of "Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild." Her e-mail address is malkinblog@gmail.com.

COPYRIGHT 2008 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

I agree with Elizabeth Maria`s assessment of Obama. I will only add I pray that when some of these people get to the voting booth they will look past the persona projected before casting their vote.

No life does not end at birth ,but it does begin there and people like Obama will help to keep the current situation where liveswont begin. Nothing else he says or says he will do can make me overlook this majorly immoral position. When it comes to other potential moral decisions what possibly will he be willing to justify? I agree with many of the points you make.Ican`t agree that Obama is the man to make any changes that would have any positive lasting effects on our country. I`m not in love with either political party and the Republicans can be criticised as severly as the Democrats in many areas.

The Lord told us to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, comfort the sick, visit the imprisoned, etc., -- all the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.

Our government is not the 'church'. So, we can't expect it to do the things that Christians are supposed to do. But, we CAN expect it to operate according to the principles that the people espouse. And in many/most cases, those are "Christian" principles as listed above.

If a child goes to bed hungry in this nation, the nation and its people are guilty of serious sin.

If an older person with diabetes loses a foot because their medication is in the "doughnut hole" of non-covered Medicare medications, then we're guilty of sin.

If a pregnant woman seeks an abortion because she's on minimum wage that wasn't raised in over 20 years and can't afford to feed and clothe the child, then the nation is guilty of sin. (Yeah, she shouldn't have become pregnant in the first place, sure, but if you're morbidly-obese or even moderately obese and having health problems, you also don't have self-control. Or if you smoke, or if you don't exercise and eat a healthy diet, you're also lacking the same self-control.)

If miners die in an 'industrial accident' because previous safeguards are no longer in-play and enforceable because the government now considers them an undue burden on employers, then the nation is guilty of sin.

If people still work in sweat-shops and live on starvation wages or less, then the nation is not doing its duty to God's created people, then the nation is guilty of sin.

If working women (especially pregnant women) wear Depends while working on the assembly line since there is no longer an opportunity to go to the facilities, then we're doing something wrong.

If veterans can't get the medical care that they need after we've sent them off to war, the nation is guilty of sin.

If our military families are on food stamps to put food on the table, while certain corporations - with no-bid contracts - are experiencing off-the-chart profits (and then move their headquarters to Bahrain or the United Arab Emirates to avoid taxes) then the nation is guilty of serious sin.

If the nation's war costs for one week would provide health insurance/care for 800,000 little kids, but we don't provide for the kids, then the nation is guilty of sin.

There seems to be a logical dis-connect between objection to abortion (which is sinful and wrong) and then allowing the preserved child to live in sickness, hunger and deprivation because we don't ensure adequate nutrition and health care.

We've saved the child, only to subject the little one to a life of misery. This is Christian? Wake up! - PRO-LIFE cannot be just anti-abortion. PRO-LIFE means LIFE. It means chances for a blessed healthy life after birth until one can take care of one's self.

"Hey kid! Welcome to the Christian world! Best of luck on getting food or medicine if your folks don't have much. But hey, we saved your life."

Politics can be a dirty and filty process. And it oftentimes is. The real issue is to NOT divorce the Christian principles from the reality that people find themselves in. The Good Samaritan didn't ask for a Blue Cross-Blue Shield card to ensure his re-imbursement, he just took care of the victim.

Perhaps we should take a lesson from this parable: care for the person, in God's name. The principles have to, and will fall in line if we DO the right thing.

Lots of people "wear a cross" around their necks as a public display; the question is: are they actually bearing the real cross to love and help their neighbor?

Care for ALL the people in our country - feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, etc. By ensuring that this happens, the principles and the 'morals' will fulfill themselves. And vote for the people who will take care of the poor, the feeble-minded, the elderly, the sick, the blind, the palsied, the 'crippled', and the folks whom Christ would rush to in order to help them.

Blessings to All!

Dr John, Not the Rock Star