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Mykhayl,
Is there a now a schism in the Byzantine Catholic Church?
You mention the Society of Saint Josaphat (Byzantine SSPX)?
Is this part of the recent Ukrainian schism where those four new bishops were just illicitly consecrated?
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We seemingly are all over the place with this thread. Either we stay on topic or the thread will be closed.
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Father, forgive me.
Back on topic: Please pray for the Alaskan Orthodox who have many problems, especially alcoholism. Bishop Nicolai was attempting to address this problem and there are a lot of unhappy campers as a result.
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Back on topic: Please pray for the Alaskan Orthodox who have many problems, especially alcoholism. Bishop Nicolai was attempting to address this problem and there are a lot of unhappy campers as a result. I do not understand what you are saying here! The Metropolitan Council of the OCA, the Faculty of St. Vladimir's Seminary, the vast majority of the priests in Alaska and others are not unhappy campers and the issue is not Bishop Nicolai's fight against alcholism.
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Here is an update on the mounting opposition in the OCA to Bishop NiKolai OCA leader calls for April meeting to discuss Alaska diocese Article published on Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, in the Kodiak Daily Mirror
By RALPH GIBBS Mirror Writer
The Most Rev. Nathaniel, archbishop of Detroit and the Romanian Episcopate, and the Right Rev. Tikhon, bishop of Philadelphia and Eastern Pennsylvania, returned to Anchorage over the weekend.
Both visited Kodiak over the weekend continuing their investigation into allegations that Alaska diocese leader Bishop Nikolai Soraich has ruled in Alaska for the last seven years under a blanket of intimidations and abuse.
Bishop Nikolai denies the charge, although he does acknowledge on his diocese Web site that he needs to become a better leader.
"Believe me, I have shortcomings and one of them is that (it is) necessary for me to improve how I'm perceived as (being) too strict," he said in answer to a question from a supporter.
Whether he will be allowed to overcome those shortcomings in Alaska may be answered sooner rather than later.
Orthodox Church in America leader Metropolitan Herman, under increasing pressure from within, moved up the Holy Synod of Bishop meeting in order to discuss the situation in Alaska. The meeting will now take place at the end of April instead of the end of May.
Last week, the OCA Metropolitan Council, the permanent executive body of the church, voted unanimously to ask the Holy Synod of Bishops to reverse its decision to lift Bishop Nikolai's suspension.
"Taking account of the anxieties, fears and pain of the Orthodox faithful of Alaska, and the deep concern expressed by all the faithful of the Orthodox Church in America, the Metropolitan Council is profoundly disappointed by the Holy Synod's decision to lift the leave of absence of His Grace, Bishop Nikolai before a proper solution has been determined, and respectfully asks our hierarchs -- in faith, hope and love -- to immediately reverse this decision," the council's statement read.
Demands to resolve the matter have come from other corners of the church.
The faculty of St. Vladimir's Theological Seminary in New York issued a statement in support of addressing the situation in Alaska, marking the first time the school has issued a public statement.
"Until now we have not spoken out, hoping that the regular ecclesial structures of the church would be able to restore peace and stability," the statement read. "The continued suffering of our church, however, and now the plight of the Alaskan faithful, our brothers and sisters in Christ, have both alarmed us and deeply pained us to the point where we feel compelled to speak."
They concluded by saying they were anxiously waiting the outcome of the next synod meeting.
However, they were not the ones who convinced the OCA leader to move up the meeting time.
The strongest appeal came from the Most Rev. Job, archbishop of Chicago and the Midwest, who took exception to the recent statements by Bishop Nikolai in an interview with KTUU television in Anchorage comparing his ordeal with that of Jesus.
"I felt very much like Christ; going to the cross and being abandoned and pushed aside and no one there for him," the bishop said in that interview.
It's not the only thing that the bishop has done since returning to Alaska that has angered many Orthodox clergy, including Archbishop Job.
One of the first actions taken by Bishop Nikolai upon his return to Alaska after meeting with the synod, which lifted his mandatory leave of absence, was dismiss Archpriest Michael Oleksa and Mother Capitolina from the Metropolitan Council.
Both were elected by a unanimous vote during a gathering of clergy in Anchorage two weeks ago. Archpriest Alexander Garklavs, who was then the administrator of the Alaska diocese while Bishop Nikolai defied a mandatory leave of absence, called the meeting to talk about the situation in Alaska.
During his time in Alaska, Fr. Alexander, under the direction of Metropolitan Herman, gathered testimony to present to the Holy Synod of Bishops.
However, upon his return he was not allowed by the metropolitan to present his testimony, prompting an e-mail of support to the Alaska clergy.
"I will not abandon your cause nor forget your noble courage," Fr. Alexander wrote. "I assure you that almost all of your clergy brothers here in the 'lower 48' stand behind you completely. And, if necessary, we will come to Alaska on our own resources to stand next to you during your times of trail."
The e-mail angered Bishop Nikolai, who has demanded that Archpriest Alexander be fired from his position of leadership in the OCA. That prompted an angry retort from long-time opponent of Bishop Nikolai, Archbishop Job.
"Since his return to Alaska, he has humiliated the church by his atrocious comparison of himself to the suffering (of the) King of Glory and his shameful vilifications of his brother bishops," Job wrote. "He immediately launched a persecution of Archpriest Alexander Garklavs and Archpriest Michael Oleksa, disregarding the will and convictions of the Alaskan clergy regarding their chosen representative to the Metropolitan Council."
Archbishop Job requested that the Holy Synod take up the issue of Alaska as soon as possible and the metropolitan agreed.
The Holy Synod of Bishops will meet at the end of April, when many hope the situation in Alaska will be resolved.
Mirror writer Ralph Gibbs can be reached by e-mail at rgi...@kodiakdailymirror.com.
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I think what the continuing "problems" in the OCA are troubling...although they are small, in my opinion, to those in the Ruthenian BCC...although it seems to take some "kicking and screaming" at least the bishops of the OCA do act, granted slowly and meekly, and the priests are not afraid to speak up...I wish that could be said of the BCC...the expressed outrage of these behaviors is great by clergy and laity alike...parishes are witholding money to the central authorities...I think the BCC clergy and laity could learn alot about how to "put pressure on for change" even if the change is slow and not always 100% of what is wanted...
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Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!!
Let's stay on topic here. Comparisons to problems in the BCC should be the topic of another thread.
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I agree with Theophan regarding his post above. This is the second warning I am having to issue on this thread regarding staying on topic. The next one will result in the closure of this thread.
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I agree with Fr. and Bob: the BCC and the OCA are two different churches, going through twqo very different situations.
I also agree with Andrew's earlier post: the OCA has a real mission, but it must accomplish it.
And, again, I think the next 5 - 10 years are the window of opportunity for the OCA to reform itself and return to its purpose.
The first step will be cleaning up the Alaskan situation. If the hierarchs can do that, they may be able to complete the job of house-cleaning overall. And if *that* can be done, the OCA would be free to accomplish its purpose.
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X. B! C. I. X!
John,
Excuse me, but what is this real mission/purpose that is exclusively OCA?
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I trust this question is "on topic": Does anyone know how large the OCA is these days membership-wise? For years, the OCA had a claimed membership of 1,000,000 souls. The fact that many of its parishes are located in the same economically depressed areas as GC ones makes one wonder whether that claim is still valid.
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I trust this question is "on topic": Does anyone know how large the OCA is these days membership-wise? For years, the OCA had a claimed membership of 1,000,000 souls. The fact that many of its parishes are located in the same economically depressed areas as GC ones makes one wonder whether that claim is still valid. The number is wildly inflated. I seriously doubt that the OCA has even 100,000 members, let alone 1,000,000. There was speculation a few years ago that the Antiochian Archdiocese (which does keep fairly accurate statistics) was actually larger in number of souls than the OCA. What the OCA does have the largest number of is churches/chapels/houses of prayer of any Orthodox Jurisdiction in North America. (Alaska has a great many of these.) But the communities that use them are often pretty small compared to Greek parishes, and even Antiochian ones. The OCA Administration does not want an accurate count of souls. If it did, its claim to be the American Orthodox Church would be undermined. Fr David Straut
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It's been several years since I looked, but the OCA used to publish - and may still publish, for all I know - a monthly newspaper calle The Orthodox Church. Every dues-paying household in every OCA parish was entitled to receive a subscription as one of the benefits of paying one's dues.
This newspaper was sent by second-class mail, which meant that once a year they were required to publish an accounting of the number printed, the number sent out by second-class mail, and so forth.
The point here is that when I last noticed it - and again, this is well over a dozen years ago - the newspaper declared that it had about 20,000 subscribers, total. So that was the approximate maximum number of dues-paying households in OCA parishes.
The claimed figure of a million members never had any relationship to reality.
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Father Serge:
Father bless!! I just received my copy of The Orthodox Church, now a bi-monthly news magazine in glossy format. I checked the publisher's information and didn't find a total number of subscriptions.
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Fr. John Matusiak, the business manager of the "The Orthodox Church", tells me its readership is about 30,000.
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