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Dear Alice,
I apologize for the misunderstanding created.
Quite a few of the Greek and Lebanese Americans I know at my church have anemia, which leaves them exhausted at times. It is also called the Mediterranean curse and offers some protection among those who have it from the scourge of malaria, much like sickle-cell anemia which offers that same protection.
In addition, there are different types of anemia. There is also an anemia caused by B-12 deficiency, which may be complicated by wheat-intolerance. This anemia is found in the northern European areas especially in the Scandinavian countries.
Since certain unscrupulous Masonic people in my family successfully went to court to get my relatives declared mentally incompetent when in fact they had anemia, I wanted to make this deed known to inform people to be careful.
I did not mean my statement to offend, but only to share the many injustices done when people with anemia are labeled as mentally incompetent, when they are in fact physically ill.
In the Risen Christ,
Elizabeth
p.s. If you want to change the wording from 'many' to some, go ahead as I cannot edit that post.
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EM:
Christ is Risen!! Indeed He is Risen!!
There was a program on EWTN one night where a man who had left the Masonic Orders spoke. Your friend should go to his priest and go to confession. That's the first thing this former Mason--Catholic--said he did. From there, the priest will know what public or private things must be done to separate the man from the oaths he has taken as a Mason.
In Christ,
BOB
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It seems that the only fair way to understand (isn't this the Christian way?) is to examine who they are and what they do. And then (and only then) determine one's relationship with the group. DR JOHN: Christ is Risen!! Indeed He is Risen!! I think some of the anecdotes come from men who have been active members, dropped out, and written books about their experiences. Though I have no first-hand knowledge, I have skimmed a few of these books. There was also a program on EWTN within the past month during which a former Mason spoke at length about his experiences, the oaths, rituals, etc., and his move out and back to the Church. There is no doubt about the many good things that the members of the Masonic Lodges do, but it is in the secrete rituals and oaths membrs are required to take to attain and maintain membership that the problems with the Church come itn. In Christ, BOB
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Christ is Risen! Indeed He is Risen! Dear Bob, I guess part of the problem is that some Greek Orthodox Priests are members of the Masonic Order too. Yes, they should not be, but they believe and have been taught that the Masonic Order in the USA and freemasonry are two different things. I believe that many masons here in the USA have been deceived into joining it. Then once they are in, it becomes difficult to leave especially when networks are in place and they are reaping financial rewards. Cutting their ties with masonry can be very damaging to their businesses and their social life. Oh, by the way, check out the website below for a discussion on Thalassemia (the Mediterranean inherited curse which afflicts Greeks, Italians, and others who live in the Mediterranean areas). http://www.medicinenet.com/beta_thalassemia/article.htmIn Christ, Elizabeth
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I guess part of the problem is that some Greek Orthodox Priests are members of the Masonic Order too. EM: Christ is Risen!! Indeed He is Risen!! Maybe the answer is to find another Orthodox priest who is not. I rather doubt that our ROCOR clergy are masonic members. In Christ, BOB
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Dear Bob: Christ is Risen! Indeed He is Risen! Yes, the ROCOR clergy and hierarchy are much more knowledgeable about masonry and their clergy openly forbid their parishioners from joining the masonic order. After all, they have been persecuted by masonic members who have denounced Christianity. In fact, masons worldwide have been attacking monasticism within the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. St. Padre Pio was attacked by masons in the Catholic Church. This I read in several biographical books. St. Nectarios was likewise attacked by Greek Orthodox masonic bishops according to several biographies I read. Let us pray that masons will be converted and saved. In Christ, Elizabeth I guess part of the problem is that some Greek Orthodox Priests are members of the Masonic Order too. EM: Christ is Risen!! Indeed He is Risen!! Maybe the answer is to find another Orthodox priest who is not. I rather doubt that our ROCOR clergy are masonic members. In Christ, BOB
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Christ is Risen!
Indeed He is Risen!
Dear Bob,
I guess part of the problem is that some Greek Orthodox Priests are members of the Masonic Order too. Yes, they should not be, but they believe and have been taught that the Masonic Order in the USA and freemasonry are two different things.
In Christ,
Elizabeth Dear Elizabeth Maria, Would you like to substantiate this claim or offer it as your opinion? By you presenting it as fact, I find it outlandish and smacking with prejudice as your previous remarks. Also this thread is dealing with one subject "Freemasonry" not medicine. If you want to start another thread to cover that please do so since it is off-topic in this thread. In IC XC, Father Anthony+
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Dear Father Anthony,
I am sure that a google or Amazon search might reveal the books I read about St. Padre Pio and St. Nectarios who were silenced by masons in high places within the church. In fact, I bought these books from priests, but when I passed them to others to read, they did not return them but had passed them on to others. That was several years ago.
Regarding the few Orthodox Priests that I personally know who are involved in Masonry, it would not be right to out them here by mentioning names. I believe that they are good men, but deceived.
That is why I said that we need to pray for masons that they may be saved.
Respectfully in Christ,
Elizabeth
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Dear Elizabeth Maria,
I'm sorry, but your reply is unacceptable. Before you offer up something, be prepare to back it up. I find the statement to be nothing but a slur to the Greek Orthodox clergy. As far your personal experience I find that to as believable as your other statement.
In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Here are some Catholic sources which I just googled that show how deceitful and/or misguided masons are: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=imageshttp://www.tanbooks.com/doct/padre_pio.htmAlberto Del Fante, the writer and first biographer of Padre Pio, who by his writings led thousands and thousands of people to San Giovanni Rotondo, used to be a fervent Freemason. As a Mason, he had also written some harsh articles against Padre Pio in the Florentine magazine Italia Laica, without even having met him. However, a prodigious healing - attributed to Padre Pio's prayers - of Del Fante's nephew, for whom the doctors had left no hope, stirred in him a desire to go to see Padre Pio. He undertook the trip to San Giovanni Rotondo out of curiosity and with much skepticism, but when he saw Padre Pio and assisted at his Holy Mass, he was so struck that he changed his life; he went on to become a militant Catholic and one of Padre Pio's most fervent and zealous spiritual children. No Compromise with Masonry
We pray and beseech you, Venerable Brethren, to join your efforts with Ours, and earnestly to strive for the extirpation of this foul plague, which is creeping through the veins of the State. You have to defend the glory of God and the salvation of your neighbor; and with this object of your strife before you, neither courage nor strength will be wanting. It will be for your prudence to judge by what means you can best overcome the difficulties and obstacles you meet with. But as it befits the authority of Our office that We Ourselves should point out some suitable way of proceeding, We wish it to be your rule first of all to tear away the mask from Freemasonry, and to let it be seen as it really is; and by sermons and Pastoral Letters to instruct the people as to the artifices used by societies of this kind in seducing men and enticing them into their ranks, and as to the depravity of their opinions and the wickedness of their acts. As Our predecessors have many times repeated, let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the Masonic sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them. Let no one be deceived by a pretense of honesty. It may seem to some that Freemasons demand nothing that is openly contrary to religion and morality; but, as the whole principle and object of the sect lies in what is vicious and criminal, to join with these men or in any way to help them cannot be lawful.
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I am googling my sources for the Orthodox Church.
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I will step in here and support Father Anthony�s and Alice�s admonitions to Elizabeth Maria. I had some very wealthy relatives who were masonic.
They were cold, calculating, and dishonest, and rarely attended church. They put a couple of my relatives in mental hospitals so that they could take away their inheritance and leave them penniless. So much for charity. Does Elizabeth Maria�s parish contain only warm, unselfish, totally honest people who always attend Church? I�m sorry, but such a blanket uncharitable statement is not worthy of someone who says she is a follower of Jesus Christ. p.s. And those two relatives were not mentally ill, just anemic like many Greek Americans. Ditto to my point above. [C]ertain unscrupulous Masonic people in my family�. Ditto to my point above. Masons are misguided in their theology. That does not make them unscrupulous. Most of us Christians have run into other Christians who happen to be unscrupulous. Should we state that �Certain unscrupulous Christian people in my family�? I guess part of the problem is that some Greek Orthodox Priests are members of the Masonic Order too. I am sure that there have been Greek Orthodox priests who have been Masons. I once worked with a Catholic layman who was a Mason. He was totally unaware of the theology of that group (the lower orders generally seem to be). Perhaps it is possible for this Greek priest you are speaking of to have thought he joined a social group and not a group with a non-Christian theology? I most strongly recommend to our sister, Elizabeth Maria, to choose her words more carefully and to refrain from blanket, unsubstantiated insults to various ethnic and religious groups. Admin
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