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#291110 06/09/08 02:56 PM
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Does anyone know the Greek words for "Wisdom, let us be attentive!"

I go the Sophia! part...it is the rest that I cannot locate.

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For the West Syrians, we usually chant "Stomen kalos!"

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Proschomen.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine TX
Proschomen.

Is Proschomen Greek or Slavic?

I've never heard this used...

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Originally Posted by ebed melech
Originally Posted by Byzantine TX
Proschomen.

Is Proschomen Greek or Slavic?

I've never heard this used...

Gordo
Greek!

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Greek:

"Let us be attentive. ΠΡΟΣΧΩΜΕΝ!"

This might be helpful: http://www.orthodoxcentral.com/articles/bibleinliturgy.htm

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Thanks all!

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I think you are referring to Sophia! Orthoi! which the Deacon exclaims a few times (most notably at the Little Entrance). It is unrelated to Stomen Kalos.

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At least melkites pronounces "orthoi" like "orthi". I think it is the modern Greek pronunciation, isn'it?

Ps.: BTW, an English doubt: is the correct "pronounciation" or "pronunciation"? The dictionary seems to admit the two forms.

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Up here we always use pronunciation

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At least melkites pronounces "orthoi" like "orthi". I think it is the modern Greek pronunciation, isn'it?

I have heard it as 'orthi' also. Is the second 'o' silent?

According to the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary (2005), and the Cambridge Dictionary of America English (2008) there is only one way to spell and to pronounce pronunciation.

The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary (2005, published in the UK) gives both the British and the American Standard English.

The American Heritage College Dictionary (2002) agrees with both Cambridge Dictionaries.

How is that for the prescriptive use of pronunciation?

Of course, language is always changing, and I have seen pronunciation misspelled as *pronounciation quite often in student papers, so maybe in five years the error will be the norm.


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At what point is this proclamation made in the Byzantine Liturgy?

Doesn't orthoi literally translate in English to Arise!?

For the Syriac Rites, the only thing that comes to mind that is comparable to Let us be attentive! (other than stoumen kalos) is right after the Trinitarian Blessing of the Censer and before the priest intones the Creed, the deacon chants the exhortation to the congregation -

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(the Syriac Orthodox translation) Let us attend to the Divine Wisdom. Let us all stand well and respond to the prayer of the reverend priest, and say:

(the Syro-Malankara Catholic translation) Barekmor, Divine Wisdom is proclaimed. Let us stand respectfully and respond:

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Originally Posted by Serge Keleher
I think you are referring to Sophia! Orthoi! which the Deacon exclaims a few times (most notably at the Little Entrance). It is unrelated to Stomen Kalos.

Fr. Serge

Yes, Father. That is what I was used to hearing with the Melkites.

What does "Orthoi!" mean?

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The word "orthoi" in Greek is usually translated as "let us stand". It is the plural form of "orthos" which means 'upright', 'standing up', 'straight', etc.

And yes, in Modern Greek, it is pronounced "or-thee", the old dyphthong "oi" now pronounced as a broad, long vowel.

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And what about "Soph�a"? I have read that it doens't refer to the Holy Wisdom, but to the wisdom people must have to hear to the Gospel.

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