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Just in case anyone hasn't already heard, I'm proud to tell you that the Irish people have given a decisive, emphatic NO to the "Lisbon Treaty". Already the bureaucrats and politicians are calling us a bunch of ingrates - tough! We never signed up nor voted for an irreligious, secularized, pseudo-European unitary state to bring us such dubious blessings as the ability to overrule our laws (and bring in abortion), draft our young people to serve in wars which have nothing to do with us, deprive us of our hard-won sovereignty, etc. etc.

The "organized impudence of the bureaucrats" is certain not to take this lying down, so please pray for us that we succeed in defending and maintaining today's historic victory.

Fr. Serge

Father Serge,

Father Bless!

I am proud to be part of the fightin' Irish.

You go tell the world!

Respectfully in Christ,
Elizabeth

Beannacht De agus Mhuire ort igconai!

Thanks for your speedy response. Now come visit us and we can all celebrate together!

But are you really a member of the Notre Dame football team?

Fr. Serge

Father,

As a (quarter) Irish-American, I, too, was gleeful at this news!

And the things some politicians are hurling at the Irish are downright childish. It must come as a rude wake-up call to realize that not every European nation wants to trash their independence, beliefs, and history for some weird pan-European, irreligious super-nation.

Alexis

No, but I am part Irish (about 1/4 Irish). My ancestors hail from County Cork.

Erin go Brea!

Ireland fgot to vote on it, the UK didn't, instead its Elected-thus-democratic leaders, the same lot that trashed 1500 years of tradition and hisotyr in the name of modern political ideologies, forced it on them.

I was plesantly surprised today when I read about htis, as Ireland has always been more Pro-EU than the UK, so I feared that they'd be swayed to agreement, and beign the only naiton in the EU to get a vote all woidl be lost.


That said, most of the Irish Politicans ar ein the pocket of the EU, just like int eh UK, but the Irish peopel have spoken and we are not force dinto the matter so reaidly.


Hence, I salute thee, oh land of Saint Patrick!


It is certianly an Answer to Prayers.

Long live Ireland.
I knew that this was going to be a problem, and was worried the Irish would sell their souls. Fortunately this time they have not!
Stephanos I
God deliver Ireland.

Amen
may even bigger battles be won
Amen
may the Lord bless us all with unity and enlighten us with wisdom
Amen

So far the Brussels Bureaucrats are resoundingly annoyed with us, and are being foolish enough to express their annoyance in public. The Irish politicians are going completely bonkers - politicians cannot stand being laughed at, and the whole country is laughing at them uproariously today.

Oddly enough, this reminds me of Michael Gorbachov. His tragedy was that he genuinely wanted democracy, honest elections, and so forth - but he also wanted the people to vote the way he told them to.

Fr. Serge

The big trouble is that all the politicians in ecvery EU country are Pro EU and Pro-Socialism, and basiclaly creatign a new Soviet Union out of Europe.

They honestly didn't want to allow referendum votes because they feared that the peopel wuld say no in some countruies, liek the UK, but the land of Ire seemed ripe for the plucking. Naturlaly they anticipated victory, givne the pro EU stance of the Irish.

Instead they got this, and of ocruse htey are nanoyed.

What worries me is that they won't le thtis stand and will try to Punish the Irish, and get hem to gvote correclty next tiem they rename the Constitution.


But perhaps even that will be best. Do you think th Irish will sit their and take beign whipped for their vote?

The lessons here came about two hundred years earlier with the Articles of Confederation, followed by more with the United States Constitution and the American Civil War . . .

The EU was sold as something weak, that couldn't intrude extensively-no loss of additional sovereignty without explicit consent. This wasn't enough for the US and what we wanted (but the civil war took things farther the other direction than we really wanted, and we came up with the 1989 constitution.

I don't see why European countries would want the stronger governance. We needed it for security and trade; Europe already has that with the current treaties.

The treaty extensions seem more about creating an independent ability to act and control when the individual nations don't "make the right choices" than in meeting any actual need.

It seems to be a creeping process to sneak in a strong central government among those who neither want nor need such a thing.

hawk, also agreeing with Fr. Serge's analysis of Gorbachev

It appears that half of the people who live in the EU are cheering for Ireland, and the other half don't like us very much. Most of the governments would like to shove us further out into the Atlantic, with the honorable exception of the Czech Lands - the President is doing everything possible to prevent his country from ratifying the Lisbon Treaty.

Fr. Serge

This is the most positive development I've yet seen in regards to the EU. Never have I seen so much opposition to the EU as I've just read in the letters section of the BBC Online. Finally it appears, people are seeing it for the threat to liberty and sovereignty that is. I pray this is the beginning of the end for the EU.

Go Irish!

saoirse!