www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall desecration of Eucharist!

Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

What should be done, is have this man brought up before the faculty Senate. Further, and more importantly, have charges brought against him and the school under the Minnesota Human Rights Act. It is very strong. Lastly someone in Minnesota (happily I no longer live there) should also bring him before the state's Civil Rights Commission. Lastly, we can look at taking his tenure away from him. He used State resources to tell us that he planned on desecrating the Eucharist.

Poosh BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
Yuhannon

All fair points... Except from what I have read the University seems to have said point blank "We're not interested in getting involved in this affair."

I suspect a good number of them think that it is all just silly and don't realize how offensive and sad this whole episode is.

Dear Father Deacon:

Simple, pleasant solution. Holding both Chalice and Paten in left hand, intinct each Host in the Precious Blood before offering it to the communicant. Since he can scarcely receive the Host and Precious Blood in his hand, he must open his mouth. Instruct an usher or acolyte to keep an eye on the communicants to make sure that they swallow the Holy Gifts.

Fr. Serge

Father Serge,

That is a great use of the ushers. I have seen ushers watching people and keeping them in order in both the Byzantine Catholic Churches and in the Orthodox Churches. Ah, to be fair, there are many Latin churches who also encourage ushers to be vigilant.

In my parish we bought intinction sets when the option of having both species came along some years ago. There is a little cup or mini-chalice set in the middle of a wide vessel and the Hosts are arranged in the vessel around the cup/mini-chalice. They work rather well for this purpose and makes it easier on the hand than trying ot hold two vessels at once.

The problem is with the catecheis of the young. Some of them don't even know that they can receive on the tongue; nor do they know that they should step to one side, adore Our Lord for a bit, and then reverently consume.

BOB

Is intinction allowed in Roman Catholic parishes?

Under the extraordinary Latin Mass is it even allowed at all?

Perhaps the topic of intinction should be discussed in a new thread?

EM

YES - intinction is allowed in RC Churches

Intinction is allowed, but currently it may not be used to deny someone the ability to receive in the hand, where the indult for that practice exists. So if intinction is used, the communicant is to be allowed to express his option to not have the Host intincted and receive in the hand, by extending his hands to receive.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Shlomo,

Well the other parts of what I stated can still be brought. Any Catholic can sue the University systerm for promoting discrimination. Let me tell you, the University system will respond.

Poosh BaShlomo,
Yuhannon

Etnick that is not a logical statement.
You can desecrate either, it makes no difference.
Stephanos I

Etnick:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!

I rescued the Holy Body and Precious Blood of the Lord when I was in an Orthodox parish some years ago. A child taken to Holy Communion spit the Lord out and He landed where the priest could not see Him on the grandfather's clothes (he was holding the child). I happened to be close by and saw what had happened so I reached over with a clean linen handkerchief I had and retrieved the Lord. I gave it to the very grateful priest immediately.

I had a similar experience when I was in a nursing home communing an elderly person.

If a child or an elderly person can do that, it is not beyond imagination that someone like the gentleman mentioned in the link might do the same thing--deliberately--given his expressed contempt for the Lord and His Mystery.

This whole episode, IMHO, just points up the need for all of us to be bold in protecting the Lord as He lies humbly within our human circumstances in the Eucharist. To argue that one method of opening the door to allow Him into our midst is superior to another or to suggest that He is somehow more safe does not hold much water.

In Christ,

BOB

Now some guy has posted vid's of himself desecrating the Host in different ways. Apparently some folks emailed and asked him if the Hosts were actually consecrated, so he posted a video of himself pretending to recive Communion and stealing the Host. Go to youtube and do a search for "fsmdude" or "desecration of eucharist"

DAVID:

That isn't the half of it. There are additional links on this young man's site to others who have done this horrible sacrilege, too. He brags taht he does this as often as he can. Too bad someone can't identify where he's from and alert the parish priests of this activity so they can stop him when he comes into church.

BOB

I am assuming there are some lawyers amongst us here on the forum. Is there not some way we as a group can bring a class action suit against this individual, university, and You Tube. This whole thing seems to be motivated by hate and I thought there was a hate crime law on the books.

In Christ:
Converted Viking

This professor is expressing his "freedom of speech". I imagine it's possible his soul would change before the courts recognize the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. We can pray for his soul and hope priests deny him the Eucharist.

Terry