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http://www.erajohnson.net/mlsresults.aspx

Alexandr

That link doesn't lead to any specific listings.

click on the Church picture

There's no church picture. Just a house.

Scroll down! свиток вниз!

Sasha

Yikes! I found it. What happened to the parish? It says St. John's R church. What jurisdiction?

I checked the website. The new church should be magnificent.

Click on to "Our Future", and you will get your answer as to what is going on with the parish.

Dn. Robert

P.S. Click on to "Photos". The "Easter" (note the non-use of the term Pascha) photos use the term "Mass". We Greek Catholics in Communion with Rome never (or rarely) use the term "Mass", and the term "Pascha" is returning with a vengeance!

Dn. Robert

I've noticed this as well. My only guess is that the ACROD has seen no reason to pay attention to the Latinizations that crept into use, once the threat from the Latin Rite was eliminated. Maybe with the new generation, the old habits will finally be put to rest.

Alexandr

IMHO, it is all quite bizarre. Met. Nicholas , since his enthronement, has been on a kick to Easternize the jurisdiction. (He did study at the supressed Greek seminary on Halki!). But, he has met resistance from Parish Committees! I have an acquaintance from N.J. (originally a Scrantonian). He is originally from a Greek Catholic parish in Scranton. He told me he likes "the old Greek Catholic way", and hates iconostases. His mother's relatives were instrumental in establishing the ACROD parish in Scranton. One day, he came up to me and said "the Orthodox are right!". I said "about what"? He said "they don't have icon screens". He was referring to the ACROD parish in Scranton. They now have an icon screen, but it is of very recent vintage! One must remember that ACROD was established in the wake of the squabble over the prietly celibacy issue. Otherwise, they are not much different from the Carpatho-Russian Greek Catholics in the U.S. (who, at least in one Eparchy, have re-established the married priesthood!). Go figure!

Dn. Robert

Much depends on the individual parish - in general, where the parish was able to retain its church edifice, it also retained a "conservative" outlook in many things, including worship. In such an atmosphere, the emphasis was that the "Uniates" had changed, while the "Carpatho-Russian Greek Catholics" had remained as they were in, roughly, 1936.

Fr. Serge

Let's not be too quick to be critical or holier-than-thou.

I note that St John's calendar consistently uses the terminology Divine Liturgy and, having read several hundred websites in the past 18 months - principally Ruthenian, but also UGCC, Melkite, Armenian, and other Eastern and Oriental Catholic, I can assure you that there are any number out there still employing Latin terminology.

Many years,

Neil, who hates to admit that the Melkite Cathedral website also has several photos on it that use the terminology "Mass"

I must be a Johnny come lately but I have still not found the Church listed on the ERA website. I see that it is St. John's about which you are talking but where is it on the website?

CDL

Dan,

I had the same problem. Go here [erajohnson.net] and scroll down to about the 5th entry.

Many years,

Neil

I hope that another Orthodox community or a Catholic group can buy that temple. It would be horrible if it fell into the hands of the muslims.

I still can't find it. But nevertheless, my wife and I have fantacized many times about living in a Church.

CDL

Or worse yet new agers or atheist who would turn it into a disco.
Stephanos I

An Orthodox church in Cleveland closed, was sold, and turned into a theater with the Iconostas still intact!

That is precisely what happened to the magnificent Saints Constantine and Helen Greek Orthodox Church, Stoney Island, Chicago - it was sold (for money!) to the Black Muslims, and where once was the Cross, now there is the crescent. The preachers do not hesitate to underline the point that "the Christians don't want your souls; they just want your money!"

There was a strenuous effort to block the sale, but filthy lucre won out over missionary opportunity, even though the Church had been proclaimed a Patriarchal Shrine by Athenagoras himself.

Fr. Serge

"The love of money is the root of all evil!"
Unworthy monk and arch sinner,
Stephanos I
Oh how we should love the things of heaven above all earthly gain.

That is terrible. You would think that the iconostasis would be translated into the new temple or donated to a monastery.

Who would do that?

Why would a theater in Cleveland want an intact, and presumably full-size, iconostas?

Fr. Serge