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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548715.stm This is tragic for the people living in the region, but I support Russia's right to defend the South Ossetians from Georgian aggression.
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This is tragic for the people living in the region, but I support Russia's right to defend the South Ossetians from Georgian aggression. I think we have to be very careful about making such statements or jumping to conlusions so quickly. Let's wait to see how this plays out. This area is as complicated as the Balkans when one is talking about ethnicities, religion and politics. Remeber Russia went into Hungary in 1956 to protect its brother "communists" and into Czechoslovakia in 1968 for the same reasons. The BBC article states: Georgia's president said 150 Russian tanks and other vehicles had entered South Ossetia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili says he is willing to agree an immediate ceasefire
He told CNN: "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory."
Mr Saakashvili, who has called on reservists to sign up for duty, said: "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory.
"We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight," Reuters new agency quoted him as saying."
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It's pretty clear just who the aggressor is here; Georgia. Even MSNBC, hardly known for an even slightly sympathetic Russian viewpoint, agrees.
MSNBC News Services
updated 7:47 p.m. ET, Fri., Aug. 8, 2008
TSKHINVALI, Georgia - Russia dispatched an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia on Friday after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched a surprise offensive to crush separatists. Witnesses said hundreds of civilians were killed.
The timing suggested Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia — a key to his hold on power.
And correction, it was the Soviet Union, not Russia that invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia. If memory serves me correctly, the Ukraine was also part of the Soviet Union, and I'm sure more than one or two Ukrainians were involved in these invasions as well as all other ethnicities that were part and parcel of the Soviet Union.
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Alexandr,
How is Georgia an aggressor by responding to separatist attacks? When Russia responds to Chechnya separatists and it is all well and good but Georgia is supposed to do nothing This incident exposes Russia's hypocricy. They refuse indepenence for any of its separatist enclaves and protest it for Kososv but is all for it when South Ossetia and Abkhazia want to break from Georgia. And while it was named the Soviet Union, everyone knows Russia pulled the strings.
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The problem with Politics is that hypocracy isn't what these sorts f things are called.
Ossetia is politiclaly aligned with Russia whilst Georis wants to westernise and is closer tot e EU and US i its plans and goals.
Russian support for Serbia over Kosovo rests in Serbian alegienc to Russia, and shared values, which the Kosovo contrast with oposing views an alleginces.
Chechnia wants to break from Russia, so obviously Russia opposes.
Ossesttia wants ot break from Georgia, and Georgia has moved away from russia politiclaly , where Ossettia has not.
I think that addresses the reasons for the disparagencies.
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It was the Soviet Union that established the boundaries between its republics,which became the international boundaries when that nation broke apart. It's pretty clear just who the aggressor is here; Georgia. ...
... And correction, it was the Soviet Union, not Russia that invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia. If memory serves me correctly, the Ukraine was also part of the Soviet Union, and I'm sure more than one or two Ukrainians were involved in these invasions as well as all other ethnicities that were part and parcel of the Soviet Union.
Alexandr It is the forces of Russia that have entered the territory of another sovereign state. Putin has no more right to be in South Ossetia than Hitler had to be in Warsaw, Prague, or Moscow.
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Georgia, as expected, is receiving all the sympathy from the West's media, while Russia is being portrayed as the aggressor. Yet it is Georgia's military that launched a brutal assault on the city of Tskhinvali, killing at least 2000 civilians according to several reports. When Russia justifiably responded to protect civilians, they became the big bully picking on little Georgia. Fortunately though, if the massive letters section of the BBC is any indication, there are plenty of people around the World not buying into the demonization of Russia. Look's like the Kosovo Precedent is coming back to haunt NATO and there lackeys.
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Well why was it Russia that did a counter attack and not European Peace Keep forces that were appealed to to protect all involved.
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Let's have a cease fire and a peace mediation group sent in, until things can be arbitrated.
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Слава Ісусу Христу! The Russian KGB took over the area to destabilize the region. Georgia wants to be admitted to NATO but if it is at war or have border disagreements with the neighbors they won’t be admitted. Russia has made those two conditions impossible for Georgia. The attack came from the Russian Federation. The people in Ortesia did not want to fight. Here are some recent pictures: http://cyxymu.livejournal.com/430380.htmlUkrainians are anticipating the same problem. Russia will try to do the same to Ukraine in two distinct areas: the Crimea (Krym) and Donbass. Vladimir Putin is back.
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Sp Lawrence according to the first article you cite, it is really not about "Georgian aggression" as you say in your first post, but about oil and pro-Western versus pro-Russian leanings. That's how I read it from this quote: DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.
The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.
Saakashvili need only back away from this plan for Moscow to ditch the two provinces’ revolt against Tbilisi. As long as he sticks to his guns, South Ossetia and Abkhazia will wage separatist wars.
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Alexandr,
How is Georgia an aggressor by responding to separatist attacks? When Russia responds to Chechnya separatists and it is all well and good but Georgia is supposed to do nothing This incident exposes Russia's hypocricy. They refuse indepenence for any of its separatist enclaves and protest it for Kososv but is all for it when South Ossetia and Abkhazia want to break from Georgia. And while it was named the Soviet Union, everyone knows Russia pulled the strings.
Fr. Deacon Lance Father Deacon, I think that you are missing the real hypocrisy, and that is that the US and NATO pulled the same stuff over Kosovo. And now the Russians have said, okay, if that's how you want to play, fine, we'll play that way too. This is why folks like myself were wondering out loud what the heck the West was thinking in doing what they did in Kosovo. I can point you to parallel after parallel between this and Kosovo. Yes I know that oil is the real reason here, but in the PR realm, Putin is going to throw Kosovo in the West's face all day long, and he will have a great leg to stand on. As the one poster wrote this post, Vladimir Putin is back. Just note too, that there isn't a leader in the West who is even half the 'man' that Vlad is, this is going to get interesting and scary. Monomakh
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There are Russian news sites such as Izvestia, RIA Novosti and Kommersant reporting the capture of an American soldier serving with the Georgian army. There are also Russian news reports of soldiers believed to be black American army personel, who were killed in action in the assault on South Ossetia. Kommersant also reported that thousands of mercenaries commanded by US military instructors are fighting alongside the Georgian army.
Israel has already admitted there involvement, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was a covert NATO operation that went wrong.
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May the Russian forces be victorious and may the Georgian Church be preserved.
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Слава Ісусу Христу!
"May the Russian forces be victorious and may the Georgian Church be preserved."
Am I reading this correctly Elizabeth Maria?
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