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This is an interesting article. Perhaps when Obama quotes the Bible about being "my brother's keeper" he is thinking only demographically and not in terms of actual people, such as his own flesh and blood relatives, like his half-brother, George, who lives in REAL poverty.

This article is amazing...simply amazing.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2008/09/08/help_obamas_half-brother_move_out_of_his_hut

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Help Obama's Half-Brother Move Out of His Hut

The biggest scandal of the election campaign is going unreported, for the most part, by the mainstream newspapers and TV shows. Imagine if John McCain or Sarah Palin had a half-brother who was living in a hut. Imagine if McCain, a multimillionaire, did nothing to help the guy. Imagine if McCain came to the convention and spoke incessantly about compassion and how he was inspired by the biblical mandate: we are our brothers' keepers! This would be the lead story on the evening news.

So why aren't the networks covering the fact that Barack Obama's half-brother George lives in a 6 by 10 foot hut in the slums of Kenya? It took a reporter for the Italian edition of Vanity Fair to locate George Obama. Obama noted that when he met his famous half-brother in 2006 “we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger.” George Obama also told the magazine that “I live here on less than a dollar month,” and “if anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed.” Obama has done absolutely nothing to help his unfortunate half-brother.

Apparently alarmed that this report could hurt Obama, CNN dispatched one of its reporters to do cover-up work for the Obama campaign. This is a hopeless enterprise; anyone who sees pictures of George Obama's dwelling place on the web knows that they reveal the worst images of African poverty. Moreover, for all its propagandistic intent, the CNN report is unintentionally damaging to Obama. The reporter cannot hide the fact that George Obama comes from a "ramshackled slum." A neighbor tells CNN that Barack Obama really should connect with his half-brother and "see how he's living" and do what he can to "improve our way of life."

CNN attempts to portray George Obama as a self-reliant fellow who doesn't want any help. The network quotes him saying, "I was brought up well. I live well even now." George, however, speaks in a halting voice; he is trying to maintain his self-image. George also says, "I'm Kenyan...I would love to live in Kenya." Presumably George gave this answer to a question asking whether he'd like to move to the United States with Barack Obama's help. These answers, however, in no way suggest that George doesn't want Barack Obama's intervention to relieve his grinding poverty. A man's effort to maintain his dignity should not be exploited to pretend that he doesn't want a helping hand.

When I posted on my AOL blog about George Obama last week, the Obama apologists could do no better than to say that Barack Obama doesn't owe his half-brother anything. But sibling assistance is not a matter of debt. Rather, it is a matter of family values and compassion. Obama has cited as his favorite Bible verse Jesus's statement: whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me. It seems that the Republican allegation that this man is full of pretense and empty words--in other words, a modern-day Pharisee--is more than justified.

Obama may not want to help his 26 year old half-brother, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't. I'm starting the George Obama Compassion Fund which has the goal of raising some money to help George Obama move out of his one-room hut. George also wants to become a mechanic and surely he could use some funds to get the training he needs to fulfill his humble aspirations. Currently George lives on a few dollars a month. Even a few thousand dollars would completely transform this man's life.

I'm putting up $1000 to get this fund started. I invite people to send me small contributions--$5, $10, $25, whatever you can spare. Send them to P.O. Box 3384, Rancho Santa Fe, CA 92067. Make your checks to "George Obama." I will then contact the Obama campaign and offer them the money on the condition that they forward it to George Obama in Kenya. The advantage of this approach is that not only does George Obama benefit from our generosity, but also Barack Obama can use the opportunity to improve his relationship with his half-brother. Let's foster Obama family values, and give a break to a guy who really needs it.


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let's see if this gets the same reaction as my thread on Palin's daughter:
https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbt...alin_s_teen_aged_daughter_is_#Post298628


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I think the person should set up a trust fund at a bank and send the money there instead of to him, a lot more would be given that way. I would not send it through Obama, I don't think it will ever get there. There are plenty of relief agencies or concerns that could set it up, to help him get the funds he needs from what is received, and leave the other Obama - not George - wondering what happened.

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Originally Posted by DAVIDinVA
let's see if this gets the same reaction as my thread on Palin's daughter:
https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbt...alin_s_teen_aged_daughter_is_#Post298628

David - I'm not sure what you are wanting from us here.

Both threads are to do with the families of someone who is in the public eye at present. In politics nothing can ever be kept secret no matter how you try

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Originally Posted by DAVIDinVA
let's see if this gets the same reaction as my thread on Palin's daughter:
https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbt...alin_s_teen_aged_daughter_is_#Post298628

Well, let's see what the differences might be:

Your post involves the moral failure of Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter, who is not running for office and yet IS taking responsibility for her actions by keeping her child (instead of destroying it through abortion, which Obama seems to favor...even outside the womb) and marrying the man who got her pregnant.

My post involves the moral failure of Presidential Candidate Barack Hussein Obama, who STILL has not done anything to lift his REAL brother, George, out of poverty despite his own personal millions, and yet endlessly touts his credentials as his "brother's keeper" and moralizes ad nauseum about the need for all of us to bring "hope" and "change" to our nation and the world.

I would say that the Republican VP Candidate's teenage daughter is demonstrating more personal responsibility, compassion towards the weakest in society and moral courage than is the Democratic Presidential Candidate.

She, a teenager, is dedicating her life to helping her flesh and blood.

He won't even write a check.

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In politics nothing can ever be kept secret no matter how you try.

This statement is perfectly accurate. My only criticism is that it is perhaps too narrow. Anybody who wants to go to the trouble can usually find out anything! The best way to keep something a secret is to go to some crowded public place (Times Square in New York, O'Connell Street in Dubln - every city has some such place) and shout out your secret at the to of your lungs. No one will pay the least attention!

For the impending presidential election in the USA, perhaps the trick would be for loads of people to write to Obama, announcing that we wish to vote for him but cannot do so in conscience if he does not assist his brother. I'd be willing to make a small bet that his brother will suddenly be the lucky recipient of lots of assistance from Barak Obama! He strikes me as someone who grasps very well that when votes are counted, they count them one, by one, by one, by one, by one . ..

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Fr. bless,

I don't know if this is a fair comparison - for all we know George Obama wants to live in Kenya and doesn't want to leave. I have an uncle who refuses to leave the mountain range that his father (my grandfather) acquired over a century ago, no matter that the area is nearly impossible to get to and he'd be better off about 4 miles downhill... what can I do? He's a grown man and has made up his mind - I send as much money as he'll accept and bring him stuff when I go visit...

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"I send as much money as he'll accept and bring him stuff when I go visit..."

There are many folks like this who depend on their relations for one thing or another.

The problem with Obama's brother is how easy it would be for Obama to double George's income. He could send $12.00 a year and ensure that his half-brother's income be doubled. Yet that may be too much to ask.

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In politics nothing can ever be kept secret no matter how you try.

This statement is perfectly accurate. My only criticism is that it is perhaps too narrow. Anybody who wants to go to the trouble can usually find out anything! The best way to keep something a secret is to go to some crowded public place (Times Square in New York, O'Connell Street in Dubln - every city has some such place) and shout out your secret at the to of your lungs. No one will pay the least attention!

For the impending presidential election in the USA, perhaps the trick would be for loads of people to write to Obama, announcing that we wish to vote for him but cannot do so in conscience if he does not assist his brother. I'd be willing to make a small bet that his brother will suddenly be the lucky recipient of lots of assistance from Barak Obama! He strikes me as someone who grasps very well that when votes are counted, they count them one, by one, by one, by one, by one . ..

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Although I think in Chicago, they count them 1x2!

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What? Obama isn't running for President of the World, or of Kenya, or of Africa. He's running for President of the United States! As much as we think he should, it really isn't his responsibility to help lift Kenyans out of poverty.

Also, Obama only met his father once when he was about ten; he really never knew him at all. With this in mind, his half-brother, by a father he never knew, living a world away, is not really the conventional idea of a "brother" and I think your post seeks to exploit that. The only connection these two man have is biological; and I'm not saying that doesn't mean anything, but I don't think it means Barack Obama is some sort of ogre because he is working to better his own nation instead of spending time on a relative he's never known living in Africa.

And, if CNN was doing "cover up" work for Obama, why would they publish that story? Or why would they publish that story in a way that could be damaging? Either their reporters, editors, and executives are complete idiots (which I don't think is the case), or it wasn't really their mission to "cover up" for Obama.

I thought the Republicans were so recently harping on leaving the candidates' private lives out of the discussion, especially when the Bristol Palin stuff hit. Her pregnancy is taboo, as is John McCain's adulterous acts on a crippled wife whom he basically deserted, but this is fair game? I really don't get it.

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Alexis,

A few points:

1. Obama is touted (and touts himself) as the purveyor of hope and change, and calls us all to be "our brother's keeper". You do not see the irony and sheer hypocrisy of that in light of his total neglect of his own flesh and blood brother, even if he is only a half-brother?

2. As Terry points out, $12 a year would double his income. Even if he he was my half brother, I would find some means to help him out of his squalor.

3. We are not talking about all of Kenya or even generic "Kenyans", but rather about family. Not sure why that is so difficult to see...

4. Bristol Palin SHOULD be left out of this mix. The decisions of Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter have no bearing on the Governor's viability as a candidate, although, as I pointed out, her decisions regarding her baby are more impressive than Obamas vis-a-vis his brother. Obama's fraternal neglect does have a bearing, although I admit that I am already biased against a man who favors the murder even of innocent infants.

5. I know little about McCain's previous marriage, the circumstances under which he divorced or the health of his previous wife. McCain never excited me as a candidate anyway. As far as I'm concerned (and many others like me), I'm voting for Palin, not McCain. A growing number of us would like to see her at the top of the ticket, whatever his previous heroism.

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I would venture to guess that since Bristol Palin is only 17, she is doing what she is told to do and is not entirely making her own decisions concerning her marriage or at least her unplanned pregnancy. Especially when it is considered how much more in the public eye her family has recently become beyond the borders of Alaska. My prayers go out to her and the father of her baby.

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I would venture to guess that since Bristol Palin is only 17, she is doing what she is told to do and is not entirely making her own decisions concerning her marriage or at least her unplanned pregnancy.


JOHN K:

I don't know. There is still a strong evangelical culture in America that has kept the idea of the man "doing the right thing"--and by that they mean marry the woman you impregnate. I know that this seems a throwback to a time long ago, but I know people who still believe that this is the way to go. They also believe that the couple then have an obligation to make the marraige work. Now I also hasten to add that this culture is strongly rooted in the churches that these folks are part of. These churches provide a strong group support system for those who are fully committed.

So as much as the young lady may have been told to marry her boyfriend, it may be just as possible that this is part of her upbringing and, as such, as much a part of who she is as anything else.

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JOHN K:

I don't know. There is still a strong evangelical culture in America that has kept the idea of the man "doing the right thing"--and by that they mean marry the woman you impregnate. I know that this seems a throwback to a time long ago, but I know people who still believe that this is the way to go. They also believe that the couple then have an obligation to make the marraige work. Now I also hasten to add that this culture is strongly rooted in the churches that these folks are part of. These churches provide a strong group support system for those who are fully committed.

So as much as the young lady may have been told to marry her boyfriend, it may be just as possible that this is part of her upbringing and, as such, as much a part of who she is as anything else.

BOB

Bob,

Alaska still has a bit of the frontier spirit about it, does it not? Perhaps they marry young in Alaska! smile

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I know that if I were an irresponsible teenager and joined with an irresponsible lass, my dad would do his best to see that I marry the girl if she were pregnant. He would also be praying that she wouldn't have an abortion. I would do the same to my son. A "Southern sense of honor" would be a part of it, but that social pressure would not be the main influence for me.

I don't see how it would be reasonable to suggest that "Palin forced Bristol to carry her baby". I've seen an op/ed, though it may have been a normal news article, which said just as much. It is a very presumptuous opinion and it assumes that Bristol would not virtuously keep her baby and seek to provide as stable a home as she could offer for him or her. (No unborn child is an 'it'.)

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Obama wants to better only the US? Thats odd, given that Obama is a Globalist who woudl like to see the United States under greatr regulation form the UN, and has said htis himself as a promenant part of his current platform. He also wants ot sign the GLobal Poverty Act, which wold grant the UN the ability to tax the United States of their raised mony, in order to redistribute the wealth abroad. Obama also makes it clear that he is for increased globilisaiton in tersm of economic development and very, very pro-internaitonal COnsensus.

I'm sorry, but Obama doesn't put the United States ahead of any other part of the world, byt he GLobal Poverty Act alone he puts the poorest naitosn in the third world above the US, and by his desire ot modle the US after Europe and his increasingly visble socialist, and veen COmmunist, connections and desire to create a glbal netowrk of support and interdependancy, Obama is not capable of beign refered to as a man who puts the US first.

He outs his SOcialist Agenda firts, period.

The man even apologises for the US a lot for pity's sake.

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Isn't it Catholic teaching that pressuring someone into marriage invalidates the marriage? When I was Catholic I heard from priests and theologians who said that the Church actually refuses to marry a woman who is pregnant to the father since the situation suggests that there may not be full freedom. Is pressuring this young man into marrying her really the best thing to do? Or is this a marriage that will end up in divorce a few years down the road? Only time will tell.

As far as Obama goes, I have to ask, "how much do we know about his interactions with his half brother and do we actually have evidence that Obama is refusing to help his half brother?"

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Agreed, Joe.

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Agreed, Joe.

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Currently George lives on a few dollars a month.

I can only assume that Dinesh D'Souza has done his homework and that George Obama is still living in poverty, no thanks to his half-brother Obama.

I can only imagine that the Obama campaign would be only too happy to say something has been done to help George...that is, of course, if something had in fact been done.

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Politicians, The whole lot stink of corruption and evil. I will not vote for any of them from any party.

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By David McKenzie
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HURUMA, Kenya (CNN) -- We found Barack Obama's half-brother living in a Nairobi slum.

George Obama, whose birth certificate shows that he is Barack Obama's half-brother, lives in a small house in Huruma that he shares with his mother's extended family, far away from the presidential campaign circus.

In his memoir, "Dreams for my Father," the Democratic presidential candidate describes meeting George as a "painful affair." Barack Obama's trip to Kenya meant meeting family he had never known.

In the book, which is popular in Nairobi and can be found in almost any supermarket, Obama looks back at his personal story and his struggles to reconcile with a Kenyan father who left him and his mother when he was just a child.

Barack Obama Sr. died in a car accident when George was just 6 months old. And like his half-brother, George hardly knew his father. George was his father's last child and had not been aware of his famous half-brother.

"I think I wanted to learn about my father the same way he did," George Obama told me about why he read the book. "He came here searching for his roots, and I was also trying to find my roots." Watch George Obama talk about meeting his half-brother for the first timeVideo

Unlike his grandmother in Kogela, in Western Kenya, George Obama had received little attention from the media.

But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."

The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.


"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.

Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.

At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother.

"I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house.

But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."
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What more does one need to say? George Obama is hardly Barack's brother, any more than Cindy McCain sisters are McCain's sisters-in-law.
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Cindy McCain's Half-Sister: I'm Voting For Obama
| August 28, 2008 01:26 PM

Cindy McCain's half-sister tells Us Magazine that she won't help put her famous sibling in the White House:

"I'm not voting for McCain," Kathleen Hensley Portalski tells Us. "I have a different political standpoint.

"I'm voting for Obama," the Phoenix resident says. "I think his proposals to improve the country are more positive and I'm not a big war believer."

...

Portalski's son Nathan, an aerospace machinist, is also backing Obama.

"I wouldn't vote for John McCain if he was a Democrat," he tells Us. "I would not vote at all before I'd vote for him.

"I question whether Cindy is someone I'd want to see in the White House as first lady," he adds.

Portalski went public with her connection to the McCains after hearing Cindy say on the trail that she was an only child.

"I'm upset," she told NPR. "I'm angry. It makes me feel like a nonperson, kind of."

"It's terribly painful," Portalski added. "It is as if she is the 'real' daughter. I am also a real daughter."

The Washington Post subsequently reported that Cindy has another half-sister who seems to have slipped her mind:

Before her marriage to Hensley, Johnson had a daughter, Dixie Burd, by a previous relationship. Burd, who is much older than Cindy, could not be reached for comment.

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The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

Sorry...what do you expect him to say? To whine about his situation? To complain to the world that he lives in a hut with many relatives in a slum in Nairobi while his flesh and blood half-brother lives in a very nice home acquired with the assistance of an indicted Chicago fixer? Perhaps he should talk to Tony Rezko. He might get farther in getting some housing assistance like his brother did.

I think this man has personal, manly pride. He is not going to whine about his brother's neglect. His very situation says it all.

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But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

These are the words of the reporter. There is nothing said here (or in the subsequent quote) that indicates "he will have none of it" (no assistance from his brother to lift him out of poverty).

12 dollars...
12 bucks...
12 samoleans...
12 smackers...

...will double this man's annual income.

I'm putting 12 dollars in the mail to George Obama this week.

As for Kathleen Hensley Portalski, is she living in squalor like George Obama? The article did not say...

I am curious about whether Cindy claimed to be "an only child" or rather said that she was raised as an only child. Not knowing the details of their whole family situation, it is difficult to say who was raised with whom and when. Clearly there is some conflict there between Cindy and Kathleen.

As I said, though, I am no McCain man. I'm much more of a Palin person.

But the ticket is what it is.

...and when given the choice between Obama and his unyielding support for the ending of innocent human life in the womb (and outside of it) versus McCain's almost perfect pro-life record, I will vote for mccain/PALIN.

God bless,

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I would venture to guess that since Bristol Palin is only 17, she is doing what she is told to do and is not entirely making her own decisions concerning her marriage or at least her unplanned pregnancy.


JOHN K:

I don't know. There is still a strong evangelical culture in America that has kept the idea of the man "doing the right thing"--and by that they mean marry the woman you impregnate. I know that this seems a throwback to a time long ago, but I know people who still believe that this is the way to go. They also believe that the couple then have an obligation to make the marraige work. Now I also hasten to add that this culture is strongly rooted in the churches that these folks are part of. These churches provide a strong group support system for those who are fully committed.

So as much as the young lady may have been told to marry her boyfriend, it may be just as possible that this is part of her upbringing and, as such, as much a part of who she is as anything else.

BOB

Bob--while I would agree that there are still some who would "do the right thing" and marry the person that they impregnated, we're talking about children here. While I have no doubt that thankfully Palin would not allow her child to even consider an abortion, I have to doubt the wisdom of a parent who would allow or force, whatever the case is here we'll never know, joining two children just because they were careless and conceived a child. Obviously in her situation, Bristol would certainly have enough resources and support to not want for anything for her and her child without being put into a situation that could later be regreted and cause more heart break. If one of my sons was in that situation at that age, I would certainly demand that they take responsibility for their carelessness, but I would never allow them to marry at 17 until they proved that they were truly in love and emotionally ready for that commitment. Physically parenting a child does not a parent make any more than going through a ceremony makes a marriage.

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When I was Catholic I heard from priests and theologians who said that the Church actually refuses to marry a woman who is pregnant to the father since the situation suggests that there may not be full freedom.
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DO NOT go by heresay on this one... Do some more due dillegence.

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There are indeed priests who would not marry a couple under those conditions - and there are bishops who would support the priest.

Coercion on even one of the parties to be married (let alone both parties) is grounds for annulment, and few if any priests enjoy having a marriage which they witnessed declared null and void.

There are also some people who appear to believe that the Church ought not to give annulments. After 41 years, I can bear witness that the "impediments" really do happen from time to time.

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There are also some people who appear to believe that the Church ought not to give annulments. After 41 years, I can bear witness that the "impediments" really do happen from time to time.

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Most definitely, Father.

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ebed melech said: I think this man has personal, manly pride. He is not going to whine about his brother's neglect. His very situation says it all.

Father Deacon,

What you're doing is projecting your own beliefs and assumptions about George Obama and then spitting it out as fact. You're trying to rationalize your presupposed view, which cannot be changed, with this new information that by all accounts seems to contradict it.

Which is fine, but let's just all be clear that these are your presumptions and are not facts. By what we can glean from the second article and from George Obama himself, the situation is simply entirely unlike how Vanity Fair, and you, earlier reported it.

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ebed melech said: I think this man has personal, manly pride. He is not going to whine about his brother's neglect. His very situation says it all.

Father Deacon,

What you're doing is projecting your own beliefs and assumptions about George Obama and then spitting it out as fact. You're trying to rationalize your presupposed view, which cannot be changed, with this new information that by all accounts seems to contradict it.

Which is fine, but let's just all be clear that these are your presumptions and are not facts. By what we can glean from the second article and from George Obama himself, the situation is simply entirely unlike how Vanity Fair, and you, earlier reported it.

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Hmm...maybe you're right. I'm simply "projecting" that a man who has a millionaire for a brother while he lives in squalor and an overcrowded "hut" would not mind it, in fact would find it even desirable, that his half-brother send him a check for $12 dollars to double his annual income...yet does not want to appear to be "begging" in a very public and humiliating way to the international press for his brother to share the bread crumbs that fall from his table.

Or maybe that is simply a reasonable assumption on my part.

And the so-called "new information" does not contradict anything. It is the reporter's words "he will have nothing to do with it."

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Father Deacon,

It is, in my opinion, not a reasonable assumption.

He says he lives well, that he was brought up well. From his own words it is only logical to assume that he does not see himself in need of financial assistance. Or do people who self-admittedly "live well" still need financial assistance in your eyes?

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It is entirely possible that people "who self-admittedly 'live well' may be in need of financial assistance". "Live well" is a relative term with several possible meanings. Emergency medical or dental care, lack of capital for housing, lack of cash to pay for the education of one's children . . . the circumstances of need are endless and not confined to any particular places.

If we really care, there are ways of keeping one's eyes open without being intrusive.

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If we really care, there are ways of keeping one's eyes open without being intrusive.

Fr. Serge

Amen, Father.

And I did misspeak: by sending him $12 a year, Barack would effectively triple George Obama's income.

To me, this is simply a matter of justice. The bonds of flesh and blood do, in fact, impose certain obligations upon us especially in situations of dire need. Taking the whole political element out of the equation, Barack does have certain obligations towards his siblings that, thus far in the case with George, he has neglected to fulfill. As he himself has said, "I am brother's keeper."

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A friend whom I haven't seen for a few years who is in Dublin for family reasons (his younger brother's wedding) just took me to lunch, and slipped me some money to pay the taxi fare into the bargain. Nothing wrong with my friend's eyesight!

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When I was Catholic I heard from priests and theologians who said that the Church actually refuses to marry a woman who is pregnant to the father since the situation suggests that there may not be full freedom.
Joe

DO NOT go by heresay on this one... Do some more due dillegence.

I can assure you that this is currently the policy of the RC Diocese of Las Vegas. It alsohas a blacnket policy of no marriages under 19.

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Originally Posted by JSMelkiteOrthodoxy
When I was Catholic I heard from priests and theologians who said that the Church actually refuses to marry a woman who is pregnant to the father since the situation suggests that there may not be full freedom.
Joe

DO NOT go by heresay on this one... Do some more due dillegence.

I can assure you that this is currently the policy of the RC Diocese of Las Vegas. It also has a blanket policy of no marriages under 19.

hawk

So you can assure me that this is a matter of local ordinaries enforcing their own pastoral policies locally...

The blanket statement "Church actually refuses to marry a woman who is pregnant to the father" needs much further qualification.


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