The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
That latin friend, Deacon Eric, Pastor Freed, Sebastian, Deepu
5,836 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
3 members (FloridaPole, jjp, 1 invisible), 84 guests, and 27 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
by Veronica.H, April 24
Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Iowa
Exterior of Holy Angels Byzantine Catholic Parish
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Byzantine Nebraska
Byzantine Nebraska
by orthodoxsinner2, December 11
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,154
Posts414,836
Members5,836
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#300900 10/07/08 07:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 450
D
Member
OP Offline
Member
D
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 450

Hello,

I have heard it stated that the Divine Liturgy seems to focus on the heavenly banquet. Assuming that statement is accurate, can someone help me understand what that means? How is this demonstrated in the liturgy? Does anyone know how this differs from the Latin Rite?

Thanks

Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
danman916:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!
It has to do with the deep meaning contained in the word "communion" and the many layers of meaning that it has. There have been many threads on this forum that have delved into this area. You might do a search on "Eucharist" and "Communion" to find some of them. One of my favorites is

The Eucharist: Source of Unity in The Church
https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=67276&page=260&fpart=3

Some good books in this area include Nicholas Cabasilas' Commentary on the Divine Liturgy and The Life in Christ. You might also read The Communion of Love by Fr. Matthew the Poor, a Coptic Orthodox monk.

In Christ,

BOB

Last edited by theophan; 10/07/08 11:14 PM.
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
danman916:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!

With your kind permission, let me see if I can answer your direct questions a bit.

In the Divine Liturgy and in the liturgies of all the Apostolic Churches, the reality of time, space, distance, and eternity come together and their separate categories become one. What God is accomplishing in human history--the bridging of the gap between His creation--us--is bridged by the Saving Sacrifice of His Only-Begotten Son, Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

The life-giving set of events--the Last Supper wherein the Saving Sacrifice is accomplished in history by anticipation, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Glorious Second Coming of Christ--that crown creation, that are the center of human history, that are the jewel of human life are made to be present to the believers in the Divine Liturgy. As if we were in a time machine, we are there. I have likened the Divine Liturgy to a door--a door that opens onto eternity and obliterates time so that we recline at the Last Supper, stay with the Mother of God and St. John at the foot of the Cross, tremble with the guards at the earthquake that opens the tomb, watch with the Apostles as Christ returns to the Father, and watch with joy as He comes again into our midst to nourish us with Himself, the greatest gift ever conceived.

Heaven, as a place and a state of being, is the state of perfect communion, of "coming into union," of that relationship established in Baptism that we wish to build and strengthen in this pilgrimage and to enjoy fully in the Kingdom. Speaking of Heaven as the Banquet of the Lamb goes into that intimacy of the relationship that God wishes to have with us: he "espouses" us; He wishes to have the kind of intimate relationship that spouses are to have in this life--of being "at-one" (like the dikiri: two flames able to be distinguished at their source burning together as one). That is the Divine embrace God wishes to hahve with us.

Banquet gives us the idea of nourishment and it is nourishment that we so much need as human beings, created to need God--as St. Augustine says, "Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee."

All the Apostolic Churches seek to draw the believers into these Mysteries by their liturgical expression. You might miss some of it in the English-speaking world since Vatican II because there are some liturgists who think that creating community is the primary reason for liturgy. Rome has issued instructions trying to correct this misunderstanding but so far it has had little effect.

In Christ,

BOB

Last edited by theophan; 10/10/08 01:36 AM. Reason: spelling
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 450
D
Member
OP Offline
Member
D
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 450
thanks theophan.

Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,867
Likes: 22
danman916:

I sent you a pm with a more lengthy piece.

BOB


Moderated by  Alice, Father Deacon Ed, theophan 

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2022 (Forum 1998-2022). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5