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Why do you think it's called the Colonial Office?

Because they like BattleStar Galactica?

Just a thought....

Most of the problem is that many of the Eastern bishops don't have the intestinal fortitude that Patriarch Lobomyr, Patriarch Joseph, Patriarch Gregorios, and a few others have exhibited. They prefer to let the Vatican do the decision making for them, and act as if they are powerless. One is only as powerless as they make themselves - especially as it concern one's legitimate rights.

I would tend to doubt that.

Well said, brother.

The posts subsequent to the above and focusing on multiple jurisdictions have been relocated to the East-N-West Forum and the thread containing them has been retitled - Multiple Jurisdictions - 'One Bishop, One City'.

This thread is dedicated to the subject of the jurisdictional issues involving the Latin and Syro-Malabarese Churches in India. While there is some overlap between the two topics - principally as regards comparison with the situation in other places - the postings that were moved have taken on a life and subject that is so much broader as to negatively affect continued discussion of the very specific and important concerns raised in this thread and Father Anthony's request that the new subject be moved elsewhere appears to have gone unnoticed. I'd ask that posters choose between the two threads in determining to which topic their post is most relevant.

Many years,

Neil

Three questions:

1. Are there no attempts to unify the Catholic Malankars and the Catholic Malabars into a single jurisdiction?

2. Is there still talk of eventually merging the Malabars and the Latin Catholics into a single "Indian Catholic Church" in communion with Rome? I recall reading that there were strong movements towards that goal in the 1970's, which accounted for much of the "modernization" and "Indianization" of the Malabar liturgy, since many at that time were hoping to eventually amalgamate the two largest groups of Indian Catholics into one inculturated jurisdiction.

3. Are there any schismatic movements brewing in the Malabar church?

I know of no effort to merge the Syro-Malankara Church and the Syro-Malabar Church; I doubt that either would be interested.

Haven't heard much of the "One Rite Movement" for about thirty years.

Also haven't heard much of a schismatic movement in the Malabar Church - there doesn't seem to be any issue that would spark such a movement.

Fr. Serge

Shlomo Asian Pilgrim,

I have to agree with Fr. Serge.

To your 1st point:
Since the two Churches now have for the last few centuries use different liturgies and I can not see either giving up their Holy Traditions.

As to your next point:
Such talk as I understand it was primissed on the fact that the two Eastern Catholic Churches of India where (are) Lainized. With the Vatican pushing for Eastern Catholic Churches to embrace there Holy Traditions, such a move could not come about in this day and age.

As to your last point:
Other than the existing Orthodox Churches that exist (and the one Anglican Malabar Church) I have heard of no other breaks within the Malabar Church.

Fush BaShlomo,
Yuhannon