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Much as I hate the original crime I'm not happy at this result . The woman seems to be looking for revenge
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Looking for revenge?
She is looking for earthly justice... and in my opinion she didn't even manage to get that.
This woman - probably unmarried - will suffer her whole life!
But her suffering is not really understood by the western world - the agonizing facts are that this woman will not find any mercy from her local community due to her new disability and look and worse of all the roomers trying to explain why she was sprayed with acid the first place (believe you me, being a woman in Arab countries is a very hard and nasty job); her chances of getting married or getting a job are almost absent; she will always be dependent on her family as they don't have any kind of insurance to aid such people in Arab countries... in other words - she will be suffering the rest of her life.
Lord have mercy...
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The sad thing is that in most cases like this in the Arab world, the man would have gone unpunished. Notice he told the court he was still "willing to marry her", as if there was nothing wrong with what he had done.
As far as the sentence passed on him, considering we're one of the only industrialised countries that retains capital punishment, we're hardly in a position to critisize.
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This I understand - but she had to agree to this action . In her words " insisting instead that her attacker suffer a similar fate to her own "so people like him would realize they do not have the right to throw acid in girls' faces," Of course, only blind him and take his eyes, because I cannot behave the way he did and ask for acid to be thrown in his face," she said. "Because that would be [a] savage, barbaric act. Only take away his sight so that his eyes will become like mine. I am not saying this from a selfish motive. This is what society demands." It's a fine line between justice and revenge at times. This instance is , in my mind , verging on revenge
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So what would justice be?
what would not be "verging on revenge" and not a capital punishment?
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Note also that she refused to have her blind eyes surgically removed--not because she was clinging to some hope of regaining her sight, but because if they became infected she would die more quickly, and ease her family's suffering as well as her own!
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Several centuries ago, Shah Abbas was visiting a Mohammedan shrine in Persia, and a beggar suddenly sent up a shout of joy - announcing that he had just been healed of blindness. He expected the Shah to recognize that Allah had showed a remarkable sign of favor towards the beggar, and hence the Shah would also give him significant gifts, so as to attract the favor of Allah to himself.
But the Shah, who was nobody's fool, summoned the "newly-healed" man and asked him a few question, which made it swiftly apparent that he had not been blind until a few minutes ago.
The Shah, therefore, decreed that the man should be blinded immediately, for blasphemy and profanation of the shrine.
I wonder if the court in the current case mentioned that incident as a precedent!
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I cannot condemn anything here. With every ounce of my being, I feel for this poor sister's fate. It is horrific, and NO ONE should ever have to suffer such a fate because of another human being. Just put yourself in her shoes.
Sometimes I think that 'an eye for an eye' is a deserved punishment.I know that it is not Christian, and may God forgive me, but I think that deliberate crimes (of the kind that are confessed to) deserve more punishment than they get in the West.
For instance, I wish that more severe punishments would be given to child rapists and murderers to give them just a little taste of the evil which they inflict upon innocents. I think that putting them into jail where they are taken care of and relatively safe is grossly unfair...
Again, God forgive me. There are just some crimes which really upset me, and quite frankly, I think that what was done to this woman is simply horrible...and the emotional and daily pain from it will never go away. Our sight is one of the most precious gifts we have...
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
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As someone with involvement in the criminal justice system in the U.S. I can agree that the United States system is one of the most flawed in the world. As we are seeing more prevalently, the amount of white collared crime is huge--and this is while the poor and middle class lose jobs and starve.
I can also say that there truly is no justice in this world. The only justice is from The Almighty.
It is natural to think that SOMETIMES the code of Hammurabi may be a right one. Many times the laws of man do not apply to criminal acts because people are above the law, or simply do not get caught.
Have faith that justice will catch up with them sooner or later. "Vengeance is mine", sayeth the Lord.
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The moral question here is not whether the offender deserves the punishment - of course he deserves it, richly. The question, however, is whether human beings have the right to administer such a punishment or whether it should be reserved to God.
I am not a moral theologian so I don't claim to have the answer to that.
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For instance, I wish that more severe punishments would be given to child rapists and murderers to give them just a little taste of the evil which they inflict upon innocents. I think that putting them into jail where they are taken care of and relatively safe is grossly unfair... While I do agree with most what have been said, I do have a problem with jail time for rapists, drug addicts and several other crimes that may (and if true) be caused by an illness that should be treated instead of hidden under the carpet (the jail cell). But this case is different! It's a crime well thought of, well planned, and because in those countries the law is more forgiving of men it is becoming widely spread. The question, however, is whether human beings have the right to administer such a punishment or whether it should be reserved to God.
I am not a moral theologian so I don't claim to have the answer to that.
Fr. Serge I am not a moral theologian either, so follows my humble (maybe theologically wrong) opinion - I know that God gave the right for leaders in the Bible and to Caesar to collect taxes, protect the nation, and restore earthly justice. Jesus asked us to be merciful - not unjust. But in this case, any less punishment would be cruel to the victim and unjust to the criminal. Lord have mercy
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While I do agree with most what have been said, I do have a problem with jail time for rapists, drug addicts and several other crimes that may (and if true) be caused by an illness that should be treated instead of hidden under the carpet (the jail cell). If you have ever just looked at the photos and video footage of those who commit hideous crimes on children you will see that their eyes show nothing more than pure evil coming through them. There is a reason that holy monastic elders look into the eyes of people... Their is no rehabilitation for them (other than perhaps an exorcism), and that is why I think that they should be punished severely. They are certainly not in the same category as drug users, who simply are victims of an evil addiction. Alice
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There is an utterly important distinction between the drug addict and the drug pusher. The addict is himself a victim; the pusher is a victimizer.
Thank God, I was only approached once by someone trying to convince me to "try" drugs - and I had sense enough to flee in the opposite direction.
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Sometimes I think that 'an eye for an eye' is a deserved punishment.I know that it is not Christian, and may God forgive me, but I think that deliberate crimes (of the kind that are confessed to) deserve more punishment than they get in the West.
For instance, I wish that more severe punishments would be given to child rapists and murderers to give them just a little taste of the evil which they inflict upon innocents. I think that putting them into jail where they are taken care of and relatively safe is grossly unfair... Dear Alice, I understand how you feel when you think of innocence defiled and children hurt or destroyed. I have worked in a County Jail as a Chaplain and Social Service worker for almost a decade. I have come into contact with those who have committed crimes of all kinds, including even serial murderers and those who are guilty of all types of sexual crimes. I agree that those who have crossed certain moral lines cannot be trusted to take their places in society again because their souls are so damaged that they cannot with any certainty be expected not to commit the same crime again. There certainly are sociopaths who just seem to have no moral compass left, but the majority are tormented by their crimes and sins (as they should be), though perhaps powerless to not commit them again. Many have a real desire to know God. I would also like to point out that almost every single man who commits sexual crimes against children has himself been a victim of sexual crimes in his childhood. Something has been broken within him, something brutally stolen from him, and he perpetuates this horrible misery on other children. I'm sure that there is a demonic component to all this. You quoted something in another thread which is so beautiful. I requote it here, with my own emphasis: 11) If the opportunity arises we should never refuse physical and especially spiritual help to the depraved, to foreigners, non-Orthodox, heretics, atheists, and enemies, for all of them, no matter what their orientation or disposition, are human, all created by the Creator, all with an immortal soul and in the likeness of God. They are all redeemed by the priceless Blood of Jesus Christ and therefore all children of the Heavenly Father, all redeemed by Christ and all co-inheritors of the one, eternal, all-blessed Kingdom of God. Therefore we should show love to all people. People who are depraved, heretics, and atheists, all are in the greatest need of our spiritual aid, especially our prayers and our example to them. Concerning our enemies there is the clear commandment of the Lord: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you (Matthew 5:44). There can be no contradiction here, for the Apostle John makes it clear to us that: Whoever hateth his brother is a murderer (John 3:15).
This is how we should love our neighbor. If we were filled with love for all our neighbors we would be perfectly happy. Then there would not be such unhappiness on earth and our life would become like the life of our ancestors in blissful paradise. Let us zealously fulfill the Lord's commandments of love for our neighbor, and in every way possible strive to bring our live closer to that of our ancestors in paradise!
Metropolitan Gregory of Saint Petersburg, 1904. Translated from the book "A Day of Holy Life, or the Answer to the Question, How Can I Lead a Holy Life." I try not to lose sight of these words in dealing with Inmates, people whom the world really seems to hate and wants to see punished in the most severe ways, but human beings nonetheless, redeemed by the precious blood of Christ. If He could give His life for them on the Cross, I cannot but try to be a face of Christ to them. Fr David Straut
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