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#316458 03/25/09 12:52 AM
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Hey all -- my name is Tom.

Anyway, I asked a knowledgeable friend recently where I could find a compendium of Orthodox teaching -- not a "catechism," per se, but more along the lines of an Orthodox equivalent to the Latin West's Denzinger or Ott. He pointed me to the Pedalion ("The Rudder"), and gave me a few links, all of which linked to damaged, undownloadable PDF scans of the book.

Does anyone have a clue where I can get a copy of The Pedalion, either electronic or in hard copy?

Tom Smith

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Originally Posted by Tom Smith
Hey all -- my name is Tom.

Anyway, I asked a knowledgeable friend recently where I could find a compendium of Orthodox teaching -- not a "catechism," per se, but more along the lines of an Orthodox equivalent to the Latin West's Denzinger or Ott. He pointed me to the Pedalion ("The Rudder"), and gave me a few links, all of which linked to damaged, undownloadable PDF scans of the book.

Does anyone have a clue where I can get a copy of The Pedalion, either electronic or in hard copy?

Tom Smith

Dear Tim,

I have both the Pedalion and Denzinger. Denzinger deals really more with doctrine, I'd say, whereas the Pedalion deals more with the Canons. The Catholic Code of Canon Law is the closest thing to the Pedalion.

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Father,

Interesting -- I kinda want to get my hands on the Pedalion even more now. I heard that it includes the canons from the Council of Florence as well as the 17th-century Synod of Jerusalem... is that true?

Also, does anyone reprint the Pedalion these days?

Tom Smith

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Originally Posted by Tom Smith
Father,

Interesting -- I kinda want to get my hands on the Pedalion even more now. I heard that it includes the canons from the Council of Florence as well as the 17th-century Synod of Jerusalem... is that true?

Also, does anyone reprint the Pedalion these days?

Tom Smith
Dear Tom,

First of all, please forgive me for calling you 'Tim' in the previous post. Perhaps I wasn't wearing my eyeglasses at the time! smile

The Pedalion does not contain the canons from the Council of Florence (a Council which, as you know, the Orthodox Church ultimately rejected). Nor does it contain anything from of the Synod of Jerusalem, which issued no canons (as far as I know), but only acts and decrees. From Wikipedia:

"The Acts and Decrees of the Synod of Jerusalem was translated directly from the Greek, and edited with notes, by J.N.W.B. Robertson (London, 1899). The text of Chapter VI, which sets forth the Orthodox faith in eighteen decrees and four questions, commonly known as The Confession of Dositheus, can be consulted at the Web site http://catholicity.elcore.net/ConfessionOfDositheus.html "

The Pedalion contains the text and commentary on the canons recognised by the Seven Ecumenical Councils as have universal authority, i.e.:

1. The Canons of the Holy Apostles (i.e. the so-called Apostolic Canons);

2. The Canons of the Ecumenical Synods (which the Orthodox number as only Seven, and among which they count the Council of Trullo - the Quinisext Council - as completing the work of the Fifth and Sixth Ecumenical Councils, which issued no disciplinary canons of their own);

3. The Canons of the Regional Synods (the last of which is Carthage in 418 or 419); and

4. The Canons of the Holy Fathers (Fifteen Holy Fathers from St Dionysius the Alexandrian, d. 265, to St Nicephorus the Confessor, d. 828)

Yours in Christ,

Fr David


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Tom,
Go here for a list of web sites with The Rudder:
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Pedalion
The Council of Florence was rejected by the Orthodox Church so it is not part of The Rudder .

Patriarch Simeon I of Constantinople convoked a Council in 1472 to officially condemn the Council of Florence.

See J. Gill, The Council of Florence, Cambridge, 1959, pp.213-221 for the rejection of the Council of Florence by the patriarchates of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem.

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Thanks for the tips, all. As regards the Council of Florence, I am well aware that the Orthodox do not accept it, which is why the claim that a friend of mine made, namely that the Pedalion contains its canons, seemed strange.


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