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African nation's priests go on strike [ catholicculture.org] Priests in the Central African Republic went on strike for a day to protest the resignation of the nation’s leading prelate, Archbishop Paulin Pomodimo of Bangui, and the appointment of a new apostolic administrator.
The resignation follows a Vatican investigation that found that Archbishop Pomodimo adopted “a moral attitude which is not always in conformity with his commitments to follow Christ in chastity, poverty and obedience.” The investigation, conducted by Archbishop Robert Sarah, the Guinea-born secretary of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, concluded that many local priests have homes and children. A local newspaper reported that in most dioceses and the majority of parishes, priests live with women and have children. So some places of the world just ignore the Churches teachings on celibacy?
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"The investigation, conducted by Archbishop Robert Sarah, the Guinea-born secretary of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, concluded that many local priests have homes and children. "
Ah, traditionalists! Or perhaps the good Archbishop deems it safer to overlook how, until, well, the 19th century, in many parts of the world Catholic priests practiced concubinage (because marriage was prohibited) with the full knowledge and approval of the people in their parishes.
Or, as an Italian aphorism has it, "A priest is a man whom everyone calls 'Father'--except for his children, who must call him 'Uncle"".
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I think we'd better stop criticizing the Muslims for having multiple wives in order to provide for them.
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So some places of the world just ignore the Churches teachings on celibacy? Christ is in our midst!! Isn't this the same thing we heard about in the Father Cutie thread and links? There are some parts of the world where clerical celibacy is "winked at," including South America and now Africa. It's probably more a cultural thing--evangelization hasn't sunk in far enough. But the issue of celibacy is not doctrinal; it's disciplinary and can be changed though there doesn't seem to be much traction to do so. BOB
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Or, as an Italian aphorism has it, "A priest is a man whom everyone calls 'Father'--except for his children, who must call him 'Uncle"". I will have to inform my five children of this.  That will mean that I've just added considerably to the number of my nieces and nephews!  Fr David Straut
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Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!
I have to wonder if this country is being made an example. Surely from some of the other tidbits out there on the net this is something that goes on in other places. Why is there an investigation of this one country?
I wonder if history will repeat itself. The Church tried to nullify all clergy marriages in Germany at one point and had all kinds of problems with the status of the clergy children who were suddenly deemed illegitimate. Then there was that little flap at the Council of Trent when the Scandanavian bishops arrived with their families in tow and were refused their seats at the council. Wonder why they became Lutheran?
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"So some places of the world just ignore the Churches teachings on celibacy?"
Pretty much, yes. Sometimes more blatantly, sometimes less. It took the Latin Church close to four centuries to gain nominal compliance with priestly celibacy, but it was never able completely to keep priests from taking concubines (many indistinguishable from wives) and raising families.
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There are some wonderful palaces in Salzburg that were built by the Prince-Archbishops for their mistresses and their children. Clerical celebacy has been hard to enforce over the centuries. As happened in the internatinal child abuse scandals part of the problem was too many clerics having the dirt on each other and therefore not being able to enforce any standards, so the problems/abuses went on and on.
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Then there was that little flap at the Council of Trent when the Scandanavian bishops arrived with their families in tow and were refused their seats at the council. Wonder why they became Lutheran?
BOB Bob, Do you have some kind of reference to back this up or is this a figment of your imagination? The Council of Trent took place from 1545 to 1563. The Lutheran reformation started in 1517. In Denmark-Norway the reformation had been legally introduced by 1537. The last Norwegian archbishop, Olav Engelbrektson, died in 1538 in exile in the Low Countries. Who are these Scandinavian bishops that you imagine turned up at Trent with their concubines and children in tow?
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It was a comment made by a Lutheran minister some years ago. Not knowing the historic timeline, I assumed he had his facts straight.
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Anti-Catholic propaganda needs verification.
And, yes, Bob, according to my 60-something year old African Lit professor who grew up in Catholic schools in Tanzania, much of the "Catholic" population there views the idea of one man-one wife as "silly White men's ideas" that are really unimportant. Some of them have numerous wives and attend Mass every Sunday.
Apparently they have their own unique brand of cafeteria Catholcism.
It seems the evangelization of even Christian Africans is NOWHERE near complete.
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Bob,
Do you have some kind of reference to back this up or is this a figment of your imagination?
The Council of Trent took place from 1545 to 1563. The Lutheran reformation started in 1517. In Denmark-Norway the reformation had been legally introduced by 1537. The last Norwegian archbishop, Olav Engelbrektson, died in 1538 in exile in the Low Countries.
Who are these Scandinavian bishops that you imagine turned up at Trent with their concubines and children in tow? Dear Latin Catholic, There was a nicer way that you could have said this! If you follow this Forum, you know that Bob isn't one to provoke people. You could have said something like "Bob, I think that this story may be apocryphal. I don't think this story you have recounted fits in with the historic timeline of the Scandinavian Reformation. " And then recount the facts as you know them. A good motto for us is "Charity before all." Fr David Straut
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Bob,
Do you have some kind of reference to back this up or is this a figment of your imagination?
The Council of Trent took place from 1545 to 1563. The Lutheran reformation started in 1517. In Denmark-Norway the reformation had been legally introduced by 1537. The last Norwegian archbishop, Olav Engelbrektson, died in 1538 in exile in the Low Countries.
Who are these Scandinavian bishops that you imagine turned up at Trent with their concubines and children in tow? Dear Latin Catholic, There was a nicer way that you could have said this! If you follow this Forum, you know that Bob isn't one to provoke people. You could have said something like "Bob, I think that this story may be apocryphal. I don't think this story you have recounted fits in with the historic timeline of the Scandinavian Reformation. " And then recount the facts as you know them. A good motto for us is "Charity before all." Fr David Straut I agree!! The tone of this post was not charitable at all! Please be more careful in the future, Latin Catholic. Thank you. Alice, MODERATOR
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"So some places of the world just ignore the Churches teachings on celibacy?"
Pretty much, yes. Sometimes more blatantly, sometimes less. It took the Latin Church close to four centuries to gain nominal compliance with priestly celibacy, but it was never able completely to keep priests from taking concubines (many indistinguishable from wives) and raising families. I'm descended from a Spanish missionary. No kidding. After two centuries, though, all that's left of my Spanish side is my facial and body hair. LOL.
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