|
0 members (),
262
guests, and
26
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums26
Topics35,219
Posts415,299
Members5,881
| |
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,028
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,028 |
We have the same problem in the Philippines. It is no secret that many priests (especially in the provinces) have girl-friends or even live-in partners.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 7,309 Likes: 2
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 7,309 Likes: 2 |
The story of the Scandinavian bishops may or may not be true. I have not managed to find any reference to their presence, but did discover that the Reformation in Sweden was so complete that no invitations whatsoever were sent to anyone in that country. Now, Denmark and Norway are very different places from Sweden, so there very well may have been Catholic bishops in those countries.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,405
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,405 |
Bob,
Do you have some kind of reference to back this up or is this a figment of your imagination?
The Council of Trent took place from 1545 to 1563. The Lutheran reformation started in 1517. In Denmark-Norway the reformation had been legally introduced by 1537. The last Norwegian archbishop, Olav Engelbrektson, died in 1538 in exile in the Low Countries.
Who are these Scandinavian bishops that you imagine turned up at Trent with their concubines and children in tow? Dear Latin Catholic, There was a nicer way that you could have said this! If you follow this Forum, you know that Bob isn't one to provoke people. You could have said something like "Bob, I think that this story may be apocryphal. I don't think this story you have recounted fits in with the historic timeline of the Scandinavian Reformation. " And then recount the facts as you know them. A good motto for us is "Charity before all." Fr David Straut I agree!! The tone of this post was not charitable at all! Please be more careful in the future, Latin Catholic. Thank you. Alice, MODERATOR I agree and would like to apologize to Bob. I am sorry.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,405
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,405 |
You have to understand that until very recently most Norwegian Lutherans were very strongly anti-Catholic. What upset me about Bob's post was that he was repeating some fairly stupid anti-Catholic slander, something which I hadn't expected from him.
Even so my tone was definitely harsh and I am sorry about that.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,959 Likes: 1
Moderator Member
|
|
Moderator Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,959 Likes: 1 |
You have to understand that until very recently most Norwegian Lutherans were very strongly anti-Catholic. What upset me about Bob's post was that he was repeating some fairly stupid anti-Catholic slander, something which I hadn't expected from him.
Even so my tone was definitely harsh and I am sorry about that. Your apology to Bob is appreciated. Please note that Bob *is* Roman Catholic and a pretty devout one at that!!  In Christ, Alice, Moderator
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,924 Likes: 28
Moderator Member
|
|
Moderator Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,924 Likes: 28 |
LC, Alexis, Father David, and Alice: Christ is in our midst!! I apologize for taking this thread off on a tangent by a statement I'd heard from a minister I was driving to a service as part of my duties. The context was clerical celibacy and the part it played in the Reformation. It was something I'd never heard before and didn't have the resources to check. I assumed that the man had spoken in good faith since I'd never known him to have any anti-Catholic attitudes. In fact, he and his wife--also a Lutheran minister--had often discussed liturgical and theological points with me, and we'd always been friends: she and I share a common ethnic background. I guess the lesson here is to take such historical anecdotes with a grain of salt and let them pass. Thanks for your patience and let's get back to topic. I still have a lingering question: I have to wonder if this country is being made an example. Surely from some of the other tidbits out there on the net this is something that goes on in other places. Why is there an investigation of this one country? BOB
Last edited by theophan; 06/01/09 12:17 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678 |
Back to the point: it is apparently the case that these priests suspended all liturgical activities during this "strike," in other words, depriving God's People from fulfilling their duties to worship Him through the Sacrifice of the Mass and the other Sacraments, and depriving God Himself of His right to be worshipped by His children.
I have scarcely heard of something so despicably unholy. It is such a stunning, aggressive transgression of the most basic Christian principles that it is painful to imagine. It almost makes me physically ill.
God, have mercy on their souls!
Alexis
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,125
Za myr z'wysot ... Member
|
|
Za myr z'wysot ... Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,125 |
Back to the point: it is apparently the case that these priests suspended all liturgical activities during this "strike," in other words, depriving God's People from fulfilling their duties to worship Him through the Sacrifice of the Mass and the other Sacraments, and depriving God Himself of His right to be worshipped by His children. Alexis, Who is to say they are not using the most effective means they know of to make their voice heard and address what they perceive to be an injustice committed against God's people? ... a stunning, aggressive transgression of the most basic Christian principles ... That is quite likely how these priests feel about Rome's actions--let us not forget that there are two sides to every issue! Peace, Deacon Richard
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,881
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,881 |
Probably more going wrong over there than just priests having affairs, is my guess.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678 |
Father Deacon Richard,
I have to say I am very discouraged by your words.
Most effective? Maybe! That is absolutely beside the point. What they are doing is withholding from the faithful their right and duty to worship God. They are, in effect, blackmailing the Church by withholding the Sacraments! Even if they have a valid point to believe what they do (and I don't think they do), it is not their right to deprive God of worship due to Him, and to deprive the people their road to salvation by offering worship to God.
As I said, this goes against the very heart of our religion. It is shamefully, painfully scandalous.
I am discouraged that this even needs an explanation.
Alexis
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,678 |
By the way, I really am not trying to speak hyperbolically! It's very distressing to me, and I would expect it to be to others.
Alexis
|
|
|
|
|
