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That should be Franz von Wittelsbach, Duke of Bavaria.
He is said to have perfect credentials as the heir to the Stuart monarchy. So if one was to recognize the validity of Jacobite claims, he would be the guy to support.
However in this world, governments are routinely displaced by force and coercion. It is hard to take a strong moral stand for the Stuarts and ignore so many of the other incredible injustices around the world since that time.
But the Stuarts lost their position over their faith, they were not protestant enough.
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I have never understood why the people of Great Britain are willing to pay taxes so the royal family can live in splendor and perform ceremonial functions. I think monarchies are best when they are romanticized from a remote location, not when they are actually endured. Then one can enjoy all the ceremonies, costumes, and pageantry while someone else pays for it. My ancestors fought in a war to get away from all that nonsense. I am so glad they did! Those who are enthusiastic about kings should read what God says through Samuel to the people of Israel about the downside to having kings. (1 Samuel 8).
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Elizabeth II is not the lawful monarch. Francis II is.
King James II and VII was the rightful monarch until his death, and Parliament didn't have the authority or power to declare that he had abandoned the throne. The Act of Succession (1701 or 1702?) was not valid because it didn't have the consent of the lawful monarch. The true successor of James II and VII was James III and VIII.
Long live Francis II.
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Originally posted by byzanTN:
My ancestors fought in a war to get away from all that nonsense. I'm not convinced it was a just war under the principles of the just war doctrine. Those who are enthusiastic about kings should read what God says through Samuel to the people of Israel about the downside to having kings. (1 Samuel 8). St. Thomas says (Summa theol. I-II, 105, 1) [T]he best form of government is in a state or kingdom, where one is given the power to preside over all; while under him are others having governing powers: and yet a government of this kind is shared by all, both because all are eligible to govern, and because the rules are chosen by all. For this is the best form of polity, being partly kingdom, since there is one at the head of all; partly aristocracy, in so far as a number of persons are set in authority; partly democracy, i.e. government by the people, in so far as the rulers can be chosen from the people, and the people have the right to choose their rulers. Such was the form of government established by the Divine Law. and again A kingdom is the best form of government of the people, so long as it is not corrupt. Jason
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Oh, I suspect St. Thomas just reflected the times in which he lived, and the forms of government with which he was familiar. But the fact that some today overly romanticize the past seems also true. Today's world is too exciting and interesting to long for dead societies and ancient forms of government. I think the real challenge for the Church today is to convert the neo-pagans without the force of government behind it. Today, the Church will have to succeed on the force of its message and the example it shows to the world. That's a tall order and will be much more difficult than the conversion of the known world the first time around.
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Originally posted by byzanTN:
I think the real challenge for the Church today is to convert the neo-pagans without the force of government behind it. Today, the Church will have to succeed on the force of its message and the example it shows to the world. That's a tall order and will be much more difficult than the conversion of the known world the first time around. That is a great point, I wholeheartedly agree! Michael
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Dear Jason,
Benedictus es indeed! Thanks for the web-site, of which I was not previously aware.
You might enjoy this snippet: almost 30 years ago I was a guest at a large dinner involving quite a number of Greek-Catholics and friends in Philadelphia. I said nothing; just quietly passed my wine glass over the water goblet. To my stunned amazement, two men six or seven places down the table jumped to their feet and called out "King Albert! God bless him!". They proved to be officers of the Royal Stuart Society at Harvard.
There is, by the way, an American mystery yet to be solved. Charles Petrie notes that papers were removed from the Royal Stuart Archives which documented the effort on the part of some of the colonists in the run-up to the American Revolution to bring Charles III to America. Learning any more about it would require a thorough search through any number of archives in the USA, probably in Virginia (I doubt that Boston was a hot-bed of legitimist sentiment).
As for the notion of "Jacobites loyal to the House of Windsor", no doubt we shall also soon learn about eight-legged insects or pigs that fly!
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