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Dear Brothers,

Please pray for our brother Anthony Dragani. He has come under a very extreme and bizarre attack by a person called "Viv" and others on his EWTN forum. I think the culprits are traditionalist Latin Catholics. It couldn't have happened to a more undeserving person. His selfless efforts on this forum are well known. Please pray for him and perhaps write in to encourage him in his ministry. He doesn't deserve the treatment he is now receiving.

http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/forum25.htm

In Christ's Light,

William Der-Ghazarian

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Whoa WDG,

Lets not attack Traditional Latin Catholics either. I am friends with many and none would act this way. It is just a very disturbed person. But yes we should all pray for "Viv" in her various posting names. God Bless!

IC XC NIKA,
-Nik!

Nik,

I did not know I was attacking them. Sorry if I was. I simply said that "I think" that the one behind this came from that background. I too am friends with many Latin Mass Traditionalist Catholics. I don't usually attack them either.

Thanks,

Der-Ghazarian

I'd love to post a comment or question but how does one do it? I looked all over but could not find any way to post.

Dan Lauffer

If you click on the picture icon "Ask a new question?" on this page http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/conference.htm

It should work under normal circumstances, but Anthony's question bin is full at the moment.

Anthony: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

Stefan-Ivan

[ 08-23-2002: Message edited by: Stefan-Ivan ]

I hope that dopey Viv or Tom or whoever hasn't jammed his mailbox. I guess they need a filter over there to keep people like him,her, them out.

God grant you many years, dear Anthony!

Dan Lauffer

Yes, many prayers during this week of the Martyrdom/Beheading of St. John the Baptist. Enduring verbal crucifixon is a type of martyrdom.

Dear beginner,

Well, I've certainly felt pain in my hands and feet after being lambasted here in the past . . .

Alex

Slava Jesu Kristu,

Anyone know what the current status of this is? His bin is still full. It illustrates, however, some of the bias some Latins have against us even if it is by a lunatic.

Dmitri

SLAVA ISUSU CHRISTU!
SLAVA NA VIKI BOHU!

Hi Dmitri!

After some searching, I found that "Viv" has been repremanded by a couple of the other moderators. One even told "her" that if "she" continues posting as she has done, "she" will be banned from EWTN


My prayers are with Anthony.

It was interesting to note in one of "Viv"s posts that "she" said that "they were considering donating to EWTN but in light of Mr.Dragani's writings" had changed their minds. Maybe we Easterners should consider donating to support Anthony and his work there?

Just a thought....

mark

ps
I noticed that a couple of Viv's posts have deleted from Anthony's Q&A.

Our friend Anthony is giving a great service over in that "other forum" EWTN. He is a pioneer, and is doing great work.

May God support and strengthen him in this ministry.

Elias

Dear Friends,

We should indeed support our brother Anthony here!

The person in question, "Viv" seems to be going off the deep end in defence of Irish Catholicism and its record in the U.S. vis-a-vis the Eastern Churches.

The vitriol against the Eastern Churches is coming from that angle, as well as from a profound ignorance of the Eastern Churches.

What is truly remarkable about this person and others (like my Irish aunt, by the way) is that they seem to think that the Roman Catholic Church was universally around since the Apostles with the Pope of Rome "in charge" since then and with immediate jurisdiction over all other Churches throughout the world.

They seem to think that the Roman Rite itself was normative until the Easterners "went their own way." That is interesting, since it suggests that the schism, on a liturgical level, occurred much, much earlier than 1054!

This person is obviously wholly ignorant of the history and spirituality of the Celtic Church in Ireland and the Celtic nations, and of the long struggle between the Celtic and Roman Churches in the British Isles, until the Celtic Church lost the battle, especially at the Council of Whitby in the seventh century.

This person also seems not to remember that the precious "Harp of Tara" and royal symbol of Irish sovereignty and identity was not "stolen" by the English kings, but was given as a gift to King Henry VIII by the Pope of Rome!

So this person has a selective memory when it comes to Irish history as well.

I think I can comment on this since I've been working on a law to declare St Patrick's Day in Ontario as "Irish Heritage Day" and have worked extensively with Irish historical groups and politicians.

On the other hand, are Anthony's efforts on EWTN really wasted? I only ask the question.

Let me ask another one. Is EWTN, as good a Catholic staton as it is, really only about the Particular Latin Catholic Church, with polite deference paid to the Eastern Churches, about whose identity and being the traditional Latins really don't care to understand as it would, as some think, harm their absolutist perspectives on papal and Latin Church supremacy?

Did not the EWTN or some of its "tradlat" (traditional Latin)members recently say that the Orthodox Church, in "returning" to Rome would have to accept Latin doctrines etc.? Is this not the height of Western ignorance of the East?

If Anthony is there to, in any way, "make apologies" for the Eastern Churches, then the whole enterprise may well be a wasted one.

Alex

Slava Jesu Kristu,

I can see your point Alex. I think it is admirable that EWTN has done what it has done but I think the rest is up to us. If we as a Church, really begin to advertise our uniqueness, I think the Latins will appreciate it. In this day and age, there is no excuse for us not to be fully Byzantine. After all, isn't it Eastern praxis to lead by example?

I feel that as long as EWTN doesn't go too far with the outdated Latin supperiority issues, it can only help our cause to have us represented. However, I do not believe we should compromise our traditions to suit their tastes. Luckely, however, I don't really see that happening.

Dmitri

PS. I pray through the intercession of the Venerable Pimen, example of religious, for Mother Angelica's full recovery.

Dear Dmitri,

And as long as the good people at EWTN don't see us as a quaint variation of RCism.

They are "tradlats" in many ways and they "allow" the Eastern Churches to come forward once in a while.

But I'm sure Anthony will straighten them out soon enough.

Viva Anthony!

Alex

Alex and Friends,

As is very apparent by many of my posts I have much to learn about our wonderful Church. I'm trying my best to represent us on the Catholic Convert Board but there is a fellow BC there who seems not to agree that we have our own traditions. He is representing us as a quaint form of the Roman Catholic Church. When I offer an alternative he gets pissed off and pulls rank on me. I've been a BC only 2 years. He's been one for 10 years. Pray for me and if you have opportunity to wander over there someday put in a good word for the Eastern Church.

Dan lauffer