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Dan,

I'm relatively clueless about the EWTN site, tho' I do visit the experts fora now & then.

What convert board?

Mebbe I can pull rank I'm almost 20 years old in the Church.


Sharon

Sharon,

Sounds like fun. Few people over there will challenge a woman's assertion. Ungentlemanly, don't you know?

Here's the link

http://forums.catholic-convert.com/

Dan Lauffer

Dear Dan,

Sorry to hear about that BC!

I've been BC for so long that I don't even remember when I attended my first Divine Liturgy .

Although the Administrator has always been most kind to guide me to become a better human being, I don't think those character traits apply to BC's who think we are a "Rite" of the RC Church.

So please feel free to pull rank with me on your flank as your ultimate argumentative plank!

(Am I lovable or what?)

Alex

Dear friends,

Thank you so very much for the prayers and support. Yes, "Viv," in her many incarnations, was jamming the forum so that no one else could ask any questions. The higher ups at EWTN are fully aware of the situation, and are doing everything in their power to resolve the it.

Regarding the intentions of the folks at EWTN, I can't speak for everyone there, but I do know that Colin Donovan, EWTN's VP in charge of theology, is extremely supportive of Eastern Catholicism. He has demonstrated this to me through tangible actions, not just words. Other folks at EWTN have also been extremely supportive of my apostolate, and have genuine good will. Yes, there may be a few people there who are not fully up to speed on who we are and what we are about, but you will find that anywhere. Such people just need to be educated about us, which is largely our responsibility. But in my dealings with EWTN I have found a great deal of good will.

Thanks again!

Anthony

Dear Anthony,

Well, if you say EWTN is O.K., I'll take your word for it and will go and get it on my cable channel list.

As for Viv, you might try leaving the Irish out of your responses next time, eh?

They can be feisty, those Irish, you know.

More papal than the Pope when they're Catholic, and more Orthodox than the Patriarch of Moscow when they "Dox."

I had a friend who jumped around a lot of Orthodox jurisdictions before settling down finally.

I called him "Sir Dox-a-Lot."

(His surname was "Knight.")

Alex

Anybody for "viv-isection" ?


Evilly,


Sharon

I'm confused - isn't part of your requirement of being in communion with Rome that you subscribe to the ecumenical councils since the schism (all of which contain "latin" doctrine as you put it?) especially papal infallibility per Vatican I?

"I'm confused - isn't part of your requirement of being in communion with Rome that you subscribe to the ecumenical councils since the schism (all of which contain "latin" doctrine as you put it?) especially papal infallibility per Vatican I?"


Eric,

I don't think those Orthodox Christians who initiated the Unia had Vatican I on their minds. In the articles of union at Brest, it specifically states that such theological issues not be debated. If what you say is true, can you tell me where this is stated? You imply that such conditions exist. What are the titles so I may read what you imply?

BTW, I believe the Bishop of Mukachevo didn't even attend Vatican I.

Joe Thur

[ 09-18-2002: Message edited by: Joe T ]

Joe,

Your reply contains an idea I didn't think could have happened but now would take more seriously if others here could confirm it were true: in the reunion agreement Rome officially said that the Eastern Catholics did not have to consider the ecumenical councils held since the schism (i.e., all but the first 7) to be binding and truly ecumenical. I'm guessing you're saying that despite the fact the Pope claims (and the Latins believe) to be personally infallible and that the decrees of Vatican I are infallibly true that the Eastern Catholics don't have to believe this.

You asked for references to demonstrate the West *did* insist on what I was saying. I admit I don't have them other than to point out the Popes since Vatican I have consistently said Vatican I and its decrees are infallibly true and are binding on the entire universal church (I have seen such quotes but don't remember where).

I would be most interested to here from others here - Has Rome officially made exceptions for the Easterners and said they don't have to change what they believe in order to be in communion with Rome? That Rome has said it's acceptable for an Orthodox person to come into union with Rome while still denying all the distinctly unique doctrines of the West?

If this is true I'd be most interested in knowing.

Let me know.

Eric

Dear Eric,

A great question! There is another thread, on the ecumenical councils where this (and other questions) are being asked.

This thread about support for our good friend Anthony has wandered off topic. Perhaps it should be closed? I invite you to continue this question there, or in its own thread?

Elias