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Actually the Boston Globe has run a number of articles throughout the year that have been critical of the bill. That's one example that signifies this is a middle of the road bill. The right is unhappy and the extreme left is unhappy. Granted it's a "left of center bill" not a "right of center bill"...But republicans had 6 years controlling the white house and congress...if they really believed in Health Care reform they could have accomplished it...they only discuss the issue when it is pointed out that they really are anti-reform...Face it...it's a democratic congress and a democratic white house...we lived thru "sausage making for many years" (such as using reconciliation for tax cuts) those who live by the sword die by it...
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If what you say is true and this is a middle of the road bill, the moderating effect comes from the Democrats in the Senate.
I look forward to 2010.
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Actually the Boston Globe has run a number of articles throughout the year that have been critical of the bill. That's one example that signifies this is a middle of the road bill. The right is unhappy and the extreme left is unhappy. Granted it's a "left of center bill" not a "right of center bill"...But republicans had 6 years controlling the white house and congress...if they really believed in Health Care reform they could have accomplished it...they only discuss the issue when it is pointed out that they really are anti-reform...Face it...it's a democratic congress and a democratic white house...we lived thru "sausage making for many years" (such as using reconciliation for tax cuts) those who live by the sword die by it... Well, no. The occasional critical coverage in the Boston Globe is more representative of the fact that the good people of Massachusetts are learning first hand the evils of socialized medicine. Quality of health care is down. Costs are up. Wait lists are growing quickly. The proponents of socialized health care don't care, or pretend it is not happening. It is not true that the Republicans did nothing in the years they controlled Congress. They passed Medicare Part D (Prescription Coverage for Seniors) (something problematic in itself). It is true that they could have done more (mostly they never had the votes because the Dems blocked a lot of legislation). But if we replaced both Dems and Republicans with staunch conservatives we'd see the power of capitalism unleashed and the basic market oriented reforms enacted. The health care proposal in Congress is a radical leftist program. It is an assault on freedom and quality health care. Even a read of the summaries of the bill makes this clear.
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If what you say is true and this is a middle of the road bill, the moderating effect comes from the Democrats in the Senate.
I look forward to 2010. It is interesting that the elected officials supporting socialized medicine don't particularly care about the fact that over 2/3 of their constituents don't want this reform. But you can watch the interviews on the network news, they are pretty open about their belief that the people who oppose socialized health care are stupid. Of course, they don't call it socialism, but a pig is a pig is a pig.
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Well, no. The occasional critical coverage in the Boston Globe is more representative of the fact that the good people of Massachusetts are learning first hand the evils of socialized medicine. I will not doubt that part of the critical coverage in the Globe is due to "half a loaf is better than no loaf" that is the same strategy currently at work in Washington DC...But you can't chalk all of the Globe's critical coverage to the MA experience...otherwise, other "liberal bastions" like the NY Times wouldn't have critical coverage as well...
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It is interesting that the elected officials supporting socialized medicine don't particularly care about the fact that over 2/3 of their constituents don't want this reform. But you can watch the interviews on the network news, they are pretty open about their belief that the people who oppose socialized health care are stupid. Of course, they don't call it socialism, but a pig is a pig is a pig. John I still would like to know where you get your information? It is true that both the "support for" and "against" the bill being considered seems to be such that neither side is reaching 50%, so there are still "undecided"...However, and I stated this in another post above...the underlying numbers greatly matter...I don't think the "Disapproval" numbers are completely for your side of the argument. Remember, approximately 2/3rds of the population support the public option which this bill in the Senate does not have. Which would logically mean that a great portion of those who disapprove of the bill, disapprove because it does not have a public option.
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