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#341628 01/19/10 07:22 PM
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Hi...

I'm brand new to this forum. I participate frequently on the CAF forum and really want to learn about the Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholicism. I have great respect for the Orthodox Church and consider Catholics of the Latin and Eastern Rites to be sister Churches with the great Orthodox Church. So...there ya have it. :)

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Christ is in our midst!!

Christ is Born!!

Welcome to the forum.

BOB

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Welcome!

Bob we need one of the little things that wave hi biggrin

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Originally Posted by spn82756
Hi...

I'm brand new to this forum. I participate frequently on the CAF forum and really want to learn about the Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholicism. I have great respect for the Orthodox Church and consider Catholics of the Latin and Eastern Rites to be sister Churches with the great Orthodox Church. So...there ya have it. smile

Shlomo (Peace to you in Syriac-Aramaic) SPN82756,

Welcome to the forum. I have found that the members here are some of the best and brightest of Christians.

One of the things that many of us here like to help people understand is that Eastern Apostolic Christianity is not just the Byzantine Holy Tradition. We can be divided as follows.

1) Antiochene-Edessan which has two major branches; the Eastern (Assyrian/Chaldean) and the Western (Syriac) branches:

2) Alexandrian which also has two branches; the Northern (Coptic) and Souther (Ethiopian-Ge'ez) branches:

3) Armenian: and

4) Byzantine which is divided into a Greek and Slavic major branches.

From these come the Apostolic Churches we have today. A great intoduction to these Churches can be found at this link. [cnewa.ca] It is to CNEWA (the Catholic Near East Welfare Association) and it contains one of the best overviews of all the Eastern Churches - Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Churches of the East.

Please read and have lots of questions. The group here is one of the best resources you will ever have.

Fush BaShlomo (Stay in Peace),
Yuhannon (Shawn/John in Syriac-Aramaic)

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Yuhannon,

Thanks for that breakdown, but where does the Melkite / Syrian Orthodox Church fit into this framework? It would seem to be an intersection of the Syriac and Byzantine traditions.

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Originally Posted by Epiphanius
Yuhannon,

Thanks for that breakdown, but where does the Melkite / Syrian Orthodox Church fit into this framework? It would seem to be an intersection of the Syriac and Byzantine traditions.

Epiphanius,

The Syrian Orthodox and Syriac Catholic Churches - both Oriental Churches - are counterparts and use Antiochene rites. (In early US documents, Melkite parishes are often mistakenly styled as "Syrian Catholic" - that was a misnomer.)

The Antiochian Orthodox and Melkite Catholic Churches - both Eastern Churches - are counterparts and use Byzantine rites.

The Melkites originally served according to the Antiochene rite but translated to the Byzantine in time and neither they nor the Antiochians retain any Antiochene vestiges of which I can think.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Shlomo Neil,

Thank you for the help. I do believe that there are some Antiochene vestages within the Melkite Divine Liturgy, but I will have to investigate to find out what they are.

Off the top of my head I do believe that the Liturgy of St. James, Brother of the Lord is more Antiochene and Byzantine within the Melkite Church.

Fush BaShlomo,
Yuhannon

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Hi all...

Thanks for the info. I'm here to read and learn about my Eastern Brothers and Sisters in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

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spn,

Welcome to the forum. Being in Taunton, you're well-placed geographically to be able to visit a number of Eastern & Oriental Catholic and Orthodox temples.

Our Directory's listing of Eastern & Oriental Catholic parishes in Massachusetts is complete. As you can see, there are Maronite parishes in Brockton, Fall River, and New Bedford, as well as a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic parish in Fall River. The Rhode Island listings aren't loaded as yet, but there are Melkite, Maronite, and Ukrainian parishes just over the border - if you want info on those, just let me know.

There are links to Eastern & Oriental Orthodox parish directories on the web in this thread on our Parish forum. You'll find that those Churches are also well-represented in Southeast/South Coast Mass. and northern RI.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Welcome. Learning from one another about our faith and traditions is always a good experience.

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Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
spn,

Welcome to the forum. Being in Taunton, you're well-placed geographically to be able to visit a number of Eastern & Oriental Catholic and Orthodox temples.

Our Directory's listing of Eastern & Oriental Catholic parishes in Massachusetts is complete. As you can see, there are Maronite parishes in Brockton, Fall River, and New Bedford, as well as a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic parish in Fall River. The Rhode Island listings aren't loaded as yet, but there are Melkite, Maronite, and Ukrainian parishes just over the border - if you want info on those, just let me know.

There are links to Eastern & Oriental Orthodox parish directories on the web in this thread on our Parish forum. You'll find that those Churches are also well-represented in Southeast/South Coast Mass. and northern RI.

Many years,

Neil

Thanks...I've checked the web sites and there are a several of interest in Fall River. I intend to make use of them. Being accustomed to a fairly "easy going" Novus Ordo I'm very interested in the ritual. The Eastern Catholics and Orthodox seem to have held onto real beauty. Something that is missing from the Novus Ordo Mass.

Steve

Anyone is welcome to email.

spn82756@gmail.com

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Hi...

I'm wondering. How are you able to send a PM? When I try I get a message indicating it has been disabled.

Steve

spn82756 #342261 01/27/10 08:36 PM
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Steve:

Christ is Born!! Christ is in our midst!!

A new member is not given pm privileges until he has been with us for awhile. Sorry, it isn't directed at you. We've had some problems with new members int he past that has caused us to need to make this restriction.

BOB
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Jakub. #342904 02/05/10 06:43 PM
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Hi...

Can anyone help me with why I cannot view profiles or send PM's? I don't see anything wrong in my settings...but am very limited.

Steve

theophan #342908 02/05/10 07:45 PM
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sorry...I missed this reply and asked again today 2/5. I apologize.

God bless
Steve

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