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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:45 AM
Subject: 60 Minutes to air a segment on the Armenian Genocide


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The Diocese wishes to alert the public that the long-running CBS news
program 60 Minutes will air a segment on the Armenian Genocide during its
broadcast of Sunday, February 28, at 7 p.m. (EST). (The scheduling information
comes via the official website of CBS News, www.cbsnews.com; please consult your
local listings for broadcast times.)
The segment will feature an interview with Prof. Peter Balakian, author of
Black Dog of Fate and The Burning Tigris, and co-translator/editor of Armenian
Golgotha. Reporting the story is senior correspondent Bob Simon, whose recent 60
Minutes work includes a segment on the Greek Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of
Constantinople.

A description of the Armenian Genocide segment, posted on the CBS News
website, reads: "The Armenians call it their holocaust - the 1915 forced
deportation and massacre of more than a million Armenians by the Turks. But the
Turks and our own government have refused to call it genocide."

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Originally Posted by Mike L.
60 Minutes will air a segment on the Armenian Genocide during its
broadcast of Sunday, February 28, at 7 p.m. (EST).

Program, "Battle Over History", archived here [cbsnews.com]

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I caught the end of it...and something about the strong words of Pres. Obama confirming that this was indeed 'genocide'. I don't remember if it was before or after taking office, but the commentator said that when he visited Turkey there was not a word said about it...

Oh well!


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The chronic denial of the Turks, that their government was responsible for the Armenian genocide - that & the increasing embrace by Turks of radical Islam: I hope both these things keep Turkey OUT of the EU.

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ALICE:

Yes, Candidate Obama called it genocide; President Obama wont' use the word.

I caught the whole piece and it was very revealing, especially the place that was called the largest cemetery in the world. The camera showed children just scratching in the sand and coming up with identifiable bones and teeth. There was what looked like a mountain that seemed to have been a huge pile of people covered over with a thin layer of dirt.

Somehow the Turks seem to want to claim that the Ottoman Empire was not the same as modern Turkey.

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Granted there was a transition between the Ottoman empire and modern Turkey, but this denial on the part of the modern Turkish government is very much in line with their modern ethos...and many traits of the old Ottomans remain imbued.

Why not just acknowledge the Armenian genocide and move on?

In any case, I don't understand alot of the modern Turkish policies and government mentality, but to be fair, the Turks as individuals are very, very nice people.

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Why not . . . move on?


Could it be that to be critical of the Ottoman Empire is to be critical of Islam? After all, they do not see a separation of religion and government. So to be critical of an Islamic government is to be critical of their own religion.

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Originally Posted by theophan
I caught the whole piece and it was very revealing, especially the place that was called the largest cemetery in the world. The camera showed children just scratching in the sand and coming up with identifiable bones and teeth. There was what looked like a mountain that seemed to have been a huge pile of people covered over with a thin layer of dirt.

That is at the beginning of the program. What a chilling scene. Shocking that it's just sitting there 95 years later and nothing has been done to somehow protect and honor the remains of thousands of Armenian persons.

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Well...as usual, Turkey can bully us with threats, and get away with them, because of its 'strategic' location. Another lesson we have here is that politicians lie and Pres. Obama is not exempt from that generatlization.

Read on:

US administration to block vote on Turkey 'genocide'

A protester holds a Turkish flag during a demonstration in front of the US embassy in Ankara, 5 March
The vote of the US sparked committee parked outrage in Turkey

The Obama administration has said it will seek to block a controversial bill describing as genocide the World War I killing of Armenians by Turks.

A congressional panel on Thursday approved the resolution, paving the way for a possible vote by the House.

But US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the administration would "work very hard" to prevent this.

Turkey voiced strong protests after the vote and recalled its ambassador from Washington for consultations.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country had been accused of a crime it did not commit, adding the resolution would harm Turkish-US relations.

President Abdullah Gul said Turkey - a key Nato ally of the US - would "not be responsible for the negative results that this event may lead to".

Change of position

Mr Clinton - who had urged the House Foreign Affairs Committee not to hold the vote - said on Friday: "We are against this decision. Now we believe that the US Congress will not take any decision on this subject."

The resolution - approved by 23 votes to 22 by the committee - calls on President Barack Obama to ensure that US foreign policy reflects an understanding of the "genocide" and to label the killings of Armenians as such.

A similar resolution was approved by the same committee two years ago, but did not go forward to the House after pressure from the George W Bush administration.

Turkey is a major partner in US efforts to stabilise Afghanistan and Iraq, and lies on a key route taking oil and natural gas to Western markets.

Ankara accepts that atrocities were committed but argues they were part of the war and that there was no systematic attempt to destroy Christian Armenians.

During his campaign for the 2008 election, Mr Obama promised to brand the mass killings genocide.

Mrs Clinton has acknowledged his administration's change of opinion on the issue, saying circumstances had "changed in very significant ways".

In October last year, Turkey and Armenia signed a historic accord normalising relations between them after a century of hostility.

Armenia wants Turkey to recognise the killings as an act of genocide, but successive Turkish governments have refused to do so.

Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died in 1915, when they were deported en masse from eastern Anatolia by the Ottoman Empire. They were killed by troops or died from starvation and disease.

Armenians have campaigned for the killings to be recognised internationally as genocide - and more than 20 countries have done so.

www.bbcnews.com [bbcnews.com]



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The White House is standing in the way of a justice that has been due the Armenian people for some time. Shame on Pres Obama.

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Note that this is not a new stance. Several presidents preceding Mr Obama, both Democrats and Republicans, have stepped back from this issue. While we may disagree (and I do, heartily), it represents the political reality of the fact that Turkey is considered a highly strategic staging area for US military forces operating in the Middle East. And, like it r not, political reality and military need often can and do override human considerations.

Many years,

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Quite right Neil, the USA's interests means Turkey must be kept on side. When Turkey does not matter anymore to the world interests of the USA, then Turkey be criticised for it's past actions. Right now Turkey provides some support for the USA involvement in Iraq and I bet the USA still use bases there in monitoring Russia and Iran.

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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

What really gets my goat is that Israel has also lobbied the US Congress to deny the Genocide of the Armenians. Hitler is quoted as saying "who remembers the Armenians", when he started his genocide against the Jews, Roma, Slavs etc.

Further, it enrages me that our tax dollars are going to these nations.

Fush BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
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Just goes to show how important Turkey is to western interests in the Near East. As a child I lived in Malawi in the 60s. President Banda was a murdering dicator. He created a one party state and had himself elected president for life. AS Zambia and Tanzania were being courted by Red China, Malawi was being courted by Taiwan. For as long as the Cold War was on the British government made sure he stayed in power and the USA made sure the Brits did just that. The moment the Cold War was over the President was dumped so fast by his western allies and the entire political structure of Malawi changed over night, aided by the same countries that had kept the dictator in power.

In short this is how the world is really run.

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