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Stuart, what you're advocating here is anarchy--an idea the Church has never endorsed. Do you really believe that?


When the Israelites asked Samuel to choose a king for them, it was because they needed a strong government to fight the Phillistines. Samuel told them what a burden the king would impose on them, as opposed to the loose, tribal confederation under the direction of charismatic judges. And, of course, he was right--there is a price to be paid for everything.

Now, why do we need government? Mainly for two reasons: to maintain law and order within society; and to protect society from enemies on the outside. Both are necessary because of Adam's fall. In both cases, the principal job of government is hurting people and breaking things. To do these very simple tasks, the government must collect taxes, which it does through the implicit or explicit threat of coercion (don't pay your taxes, you go to jail). Since these tasks are central to the existence of government, government does them well, or else it ceases to exist.

Now, whenever government attempts to do anything beyond this, whether it is providing health care or education, running a car company or a railroad, managing forests, or whatever, it invariably fails, because government's objective is self-perpetuation and aggregation of power, whereas private entities are responsible to their customers, and are (in theory) subject to competition.

The Founders of this country understood this, and thus they severely circumscribed the power of the central government, and then divided that power among the three branches of government. They left the bulk of governmental authority to the states, but even there, circumscribed what the states could do, and reserved ultimate authority to the citizens.

They would be aghast at the extent to which government at all levels has intruded into the private sphere, and would point to government excess as the principal cause of most of the problems facing the country today.

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They would be aghast at extent of government at all levels, they'd be aghast at our society in general. There is a massive demand for government services by a large portion of our society. In so many words there are allot of people who chose not or can not take care of themselves, even basic needs.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
Now, why do we need government? Mainly for two reasons: to maintain law and order within society; and to protect society from enemies on the outside. Both are necessary because of Adam's fall.
I have no argument with this.


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In both cases, the principal job of government is hurting people and breaking things.
Stuart,

I suppose in some kind of clever, rhetorical way you can show that the principal means for government to maintain law and order within society and protect society from enemies on the outside is "hurting people and breaking things." crazy


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Yes, that is what I mean, and that is how they do it. But do not ask government to actually create anything or do anything truly constructive. At best, it can contract with private entities to design, build and/or implement things for it, but even then, government falls far short of purely private initiatives. Most of my adult life has been involved with government research, development and procurement. There is a reason why everything takes twenty years to complete, always costs more than anticipated, and seldom works according to specification.

The present effort to stop the oil spill is a good example, with several government agencies squabbling with each other over turf, and whose regulations need to be waived or suspended in order to get the job done. As a result, nothing is actually being done except by BP--not exactly the most ringing endorsement of government intervention, I grant you.

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