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Dear Dave,

That blasphemy that you are relaying from the Protestant website is so, so sad---that is why I am a great advocate of teaching love and tolerance among faith traditions, and of all Christians having an open mind and heart about each other--

We must do all we can in a gentle and loving manner to dispel the great myths and untruths we all sometimes believe and hear about each other.

It seems that anti-Catholicism is a cancerous fear for some, and the only acceptable prejudice allowed for others. frown

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Maybe I am just reading too much into this
Dave,

Maybe. But you are the only one on the threads who indicates that he saw the show, and are, for the most part, a reasonble poster. So my guess is that you are not. You are however, talking about a subliminal message that is opposed by the overt one: I take it that in the Protestant track, there is no "horror", nor is there any accident, nor is there any case of mistaken identity such that it is a Nabisco cracker, not the host, which is dropped.

That distinction is what struck the blogger. In a strongly anti-Catholic culture - where the faith, morals, and practices of Catholics are routinely adn directly mocked, it was surprising to see the host treated, by non-cathoics no less, as something special. The very concept of the show was, however, grossly irreverent and deserving of criticism. (I must, admit, to having heard equally irreverent discussions of sacred particles here on this very forum.) So while I think, from what I have read, that the show was lacking sensitivity to Catholics, I thnk it is not correct to consider it anti-Catholic, like your Protestant ad, or most every reference to Catholics on television shows where beliefs are directly attacked.

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... Uhh the failure of american cathocism rears its ugly head again.
Yes, your post illustrates this failure vivdly.
I agree with djs. Catholicism in America has failed seriously if major politicians believe that they can hold positions that are directly contrary to Church Teaching and remain Catholics in good standing. We need to pray for these politicians, that they may come to accept and promote Church Teachings regarding life and work to promote a culture of life. We also need to pray for and encourage our bishops to speak more strongly about and to better educate the faithful on Church Teaching about these issues.

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Dear Administrator,

What about the position taken by Canadian politicians that what they believe is something that cannot be imposed on others?

I would mention what Kerry had said, but I might anger some of our liberals to the point of them reporting me to you.

I've already got enough people miffed at me here . . . wink

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What about the position taken by Canadian politicians that what they believe is something that cannot be imposed on others?
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Those politicians who say that they cannot impose their morality upon others are being hypocritical. All law is an imposition of morality. Any politician who votes for or against a bill is voting to impose a particular morality upon the people. A vote for a law that restricts a vehicle from passing a stopped school bus, for example, takes its morality from the religious commandment to protect children (which is found in the Judeo-Christian moral tradition as well as other religious traditions).

I generally avoid comment whenever people state that they cannot impose their morality upon others. If the person who says such a thing expects a response from me I usually follow up with something like �then I guess that you oppose all taxation because the way all tax money is spent is an imposition of morality upon the individual taxpayer�. That is usually enough for the person to realize the silliness of their position. If a person becomes belligerent in insisting that legislation to restrict abortion is the imposition of a religious morality I will usually respond by bringing to their attention that using my tax dollars to pay for abortion is an imposition upon me of their personal morality.

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Dear Administrator,

Thank you for that excellent (and insightful) response!

I'll use it here - as I agree with it, but haven't yet ever read such a succinct summation of the matter.

I wish you as good a lunch as I"m having right now!

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The writers of "Committed" are at BEST guilty of ignorance of or gross insensitivity to that which Catholics hold as most sacred.

I imagine (and I would only hope) that they understand that they could not write an episode in which one of the characters gets drunk in Jerusalem and ends up urinating on the Western Wall... or mistakenly uses the Gideon's Bible when the hotel toilet paper runs out.

But evidently the writers do not understand or take seriously Catholics' beliefs about Holy Communion. Or do they...?


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Anti-Catholicism has always been rampant in this nation. But what bothers me the very most is that many Protestant converts into Orthodoxy carry their anti-Catholic feelings/mentality into the Orthodox Church and the Orthodox priests/bishops know it but not do anything and tolerates anti-Catholic sentiments from the Orthodox Christians.

GRRRR! mad

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TG, I must have missed Elvis and his apparent parting with his TV... anyone want to care to enlighten me? smile

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Dear Diak,

I understand that he was "all shook up . . ."

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Anti-Catholicism has always been rampant in this nation. But what bothers me the very most is that many Protestant converts into Orthodoxy carry their anti-Catholic feelings/mentality into the Orthodox Church and the Orthodox priests/bishops know it but not do anything and tolerates anti-Catholic sentiments from the Orthodox Christians.

GRRRR! mad

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I can't imagine an Orthodox Christian countenancing something like this unless he is poorly informed about his own faith. While there may be some anti-Catholic sentiment among some Orthodox (converts among them) there is plenty anti-Orthodox sentiment among many BCs.

You always find a way to Orthodox-bash.

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Dear Tony,

I apologise for SPDundas!

The only kind of "Orthodox Bash" I'm familiar with is when I invite only my Orthodox friends to my home for ethnic food that reflects their cultural backgrounds!

We recite the original Nicene Creed before eating and towards the end declare a number of anathemas wink

The only requirement is to wear a three-bar Cross or else a Greek one.

Latin Crosses aren't allowed . . .

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Tony:

While you may have an uncharitable person in the BCC here or there, let's not pretend that the level of invective is anywhere the same.

Please read the last issue of the Orthodox magazine from OCADOW, then show me analogous wise-cracking in a BC diocesan publication.

Show me anything from any present BC Bishop that is in any way comparable to Bishop Tikhon's execrable remarks on the Indiana list today.

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Tony:

While you may have an uncharitable person in the BCC here or there, let's not pretend that the level of invective is anywhere the same.

Please read the last issue of the Orthodox magazine from OCADOW, then show me analogous wise-cracking in a BC diocesan publication.

Show me anything from any present BC Bishop that is in any way comparable to Bishop Tikhon's execrable remarks on the Indiana list today.
djs,

Well, I personally in my time as BC witnessed and heard many unkind remarks about the Orthodox, many from different folks.

I will appreciate it if you send me links for the above either here or privately. I don not keep up with the Indiana list as it is quite an uncharitable place. As far as the magazine OCADOW...I will look for it, if you have a link that would be better. If it is that bad put it here.

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Please read the last issue of the Orthodox magazine from OCADOW, then show me analogous wise-cracking in a BC diocesan publication.
Is the mag online?

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