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It might be interesting to juxtapose this insistence on a miraculous, hymenically circumvented birth with the insistence of some Orthodox that the immaculate conception of Mary somehow diminishes her full humanity in a way that undermines her ability to stand forth as our Champion Leader.

To what extent, one wonders, does this fixation upon Mary's hymen reflect a growing concern with ritual purity in the late patristic Church, a development addressed by Mother Vassa (Larin) in her article On Ritual Impurity [theinnerkingdom.wordpress.com].

It strikes me that, for the early Church, virginity was more than just a physical state, it was a state of mind, a spiritual disposition, and that Mary manifested this disposition, as well as physical virginity, better than any other woman. Thus, having virginally conceived her Son through the power of the Holy Spirit, it seems superfluous to me that she should give birth in an utterly inhuman and unlikely manner. Her virginity remains intact, even as she gives birth in normal human fashion, because her virginity is more than a hymen. On several occasions, during the persecutions, the barbarian invasions and the Muslim conquest, nuns and consecrated virgins were subjected to rape and other sexual abuse--yet the Church insisted their status as monastics and virgins was not altered thereby.

On the other hand, this hymen fixation strikes me as prurient and reflective not of true piety, but of the machismo code of Mediterranean cultures, which insists that blood be shed in the nuptial bed on the wedding night as proof of the purity of the bride. The Most Holy Theotokos is beyond such childish preoccupations, and so should we all.

I also agree with Father Deacon Lance that Christology demands that Mary's Son be born as other men, so that he might experience the pain and shock of childbirth, for is Christ not like unto all men in all ways saving sin? And is it not true that that which is not assumed cannot be redeemed? So, Mary would have to give birth in the normal way, in order that Christ could be born in a normal way, and redeem that element of our humanity with all the rest of it.

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Daily Meditations and Prayers for the Christmas Advent Fast and Epiphany
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Originally Posted by Ung-Certez
I have a question that also pertains to the pre-St. Phillip's Fast and St. Phillip's Fast. How long has the Sui-Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Catholic Church of America (formerly known as the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Metropolia) been numbering these Sundays according to the Gospel readings of St. Luke?

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It doesn't, not in the Gospel Book and not on the Calendar. On the Calendar, for several years now (10 or maybe more) the Lukan Jump is made in the reading of the Gospels, i.e. the reading of the Gospel of Luke begins the 2nd Sunday after the Exaltation of the Holy Cross as the Typicon outlines. The Melkites and the Raya Gospel Book name these Sundays as "after the Exaltation" and number them accordingly. The naming and numbering of the Sundays hasn't changed but the Lukan Jump is made when previously it had not been because the Metropolia Gospel Book simply begins the reading the Gospel of Luke on the 18th Sunday after Pentecost. By doing this the reading of the Gospel of Luke previously could begin before the Exaltation.


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We did begin reading The Winter Pascha by Fr. Hopko last Sunday. It turns out it's actually among the suggested "Spiritual Reading during the Nativity Fast" on our parish website, and we have several copies in our library. It's also on google books [tinyurl.com]. A considerable amount of the text consists of festal prayers.


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