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Hi.
I'm looking for images of East Catholics Patriarchs to upload in Wiki.

I've found some item in Google Books, but the description is in Arabic that I cant read at all.
I've put the images here my_link [acioc-milano.org]

IMAGE 1: perhaps Melkite Patriarch Peter IV Geraigiry ???
IMAGE 2: perhaps Melkite Patriarch Gregory II Youssef ???
IMAGE 3: no idea
IMAGE 4: perhaps Syrian Patriarch Michael III Jarweh
IMAGE 5: no idea
IMAGE 6: perhaps Melkite Patriarch Gregory II Youssef ???
IMAGE 7: no idea
IMAGE 8: perhaps Maronite bishop Germanos Farhat ???

I kindly ask someone who can read Arabic if please he can give me some hints.

My guess is the first photo is of a Assyrian/Chaldean bishop and the second a Catholic Armenian.

I think there are a few Syrians as well.

Yes the Patriarch in IMAGE 1 is probably Audishu V Khayyath, Chaldean patriarch 1894-1899. The are other photos in Wiki not different

For the IMAGE 4 the text could look like this merge of "cut-and-copies" from Wiki-Arabic:
السعيد الذ كر اغناطيوس ميخائيل جروة
أول بطاركة السريان الكاثوليك (١٧٨٣-١٨٠٠
i.e. (Google translate)
"Happy delicious cr Ignatius Mikhail Djaroueh
Syriac Catholic Patriarchs of the first (1783-1800)"
It is the easier, because of the dates, and the figure is surely a patriach (because of Pallium) and Syriach vestments. I think I'll upload in Wiki

Numbered according to images on your link. I've tried to anglicise the names, where possible.

1. His Beatitude Joseph Emmanuel II, Patriarch of Babel in Chaldea.
2. His Beatitude Paul Peter (Paulus Petrus) XI Ammanuwilian of Cilecia. [Armenian]
3. The heads of the department of medicine and its professors in the school year 1906 - 1907.
4. Ignatius Michael Garuh, first Patriarch of the Syrian Catholics.
5. Bishop Philippianos Kafury of Homs and Hamaa.
6. His Beatitude Peter Garighiry of the [Melkite] Greek Catholics.
7. [Maronite] Bishop of Beirut Abdullah Qiraaly (1672 - 1742).
8. [Maronite] Bishop Germanus Farahat of Aleppo (1670 - 1732).

Trying to help with my poor Arabic:

1) Youssef Emanuel Ath-thany (chaldean patr)
2) Boulos Boutros Alhady (armenian patr)
3) ?
4) You got.
5) Falbianus Kfoury, Bishop of Hamas and Hama.
6) Boutros Aljarjirios (gregorios?), melkite patr
7) Abdallah Qraa'ly, bishop of Beirut (1672 1742), sth of saint Maroun.
8) You got: Germanos Farhat, Bishop of Mourana (1670 - 1732)

THANK A LOT !!

I've already uploaded in Wiki the images of Patriarchs Peter IV Geraigiry [en.wikipedia.org] and Ignace Michael III Jarweh [en.wikipedia.org]
(I wrote both articles time ago, but only now I've found sources for images). The Article about Germanos Farhat is on my list-to-do.

Now I dare to ask you an other confirmation from this link link9 [acioc-milano.org].

I guess that Image 9 is H.B. Patriarch Gregory II Youssef, the greatest Melkite Patriarch. The dates 1823-1897 (I can read) are actually his birth-death dates, and in the strange Arabic writing I can find something like غريغوريوس يوسف
which is his name from Wiki-Arabic. But I hope in the confirmation of some one who can read Arabic. The image comes from http://books.google.com/books?id=JL...es&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

Again Thanks

Yes, it is the Melkite Patriarch Gregorios Youssef. The writing just goes on to give his full title as it was written at the time. (Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem for the Greek Catholics.)

Thank a lot again

It was a long time I looked for an image of Patriarch Youssef. Now I've uploaded it in Wiki (Gregory II Youssef [en.wikipedia.org]).

hmmmm
Nice!

I have a Muslim friend who I forwarded the link to (who forwarded it around for assistance - and one of the assistant's uncle is Bishop of Jerusalem (unknown jurisdiction)...

Anyway - here's his translation - got a little bit more meat for you:

IMAGE 1:
His Beatitude, The Honorable Yusof (Joseph) Emanuel , The Second
Total Beatitude Chaldean Patriarch of Babylon

IMAGE 2:
His Beatitude, The Honorable, Bolos Botros XI
Total Beatitude Patriarch of Qalqilya (Palestine)

IMAGE 3
Mayor of the Medical Office and Its Teachers
{Translator’s Note: Names starting from those Standing on the Right to Left, followed by those sitting Right to Left}
Father Neron (Nero), Father Buffet , Dr. Shapotan, Dr. Kilmet, Dr. Kik, Father Colinget
Dr. Hash, Dr. De Brown, Father Katan, Dr. Nicher, Father Solran, Father Bolmoa.

IMAGE 4
The Honorable, The Respectable, Ignatius Mikhail Jerwah
The First Syriac Catholic Patriarch (1783 – 1800)

IMAGE 5
The Honorable The Respectable, Philipianos Kafouri The Bishop of Homs and Hama (Syria)





IMAGE 6
(The Honorable Scholar Mr. Botros Al Jerejiri)
(The New Roman Catholic Patriarch)
We received by telegraph from Syria that the Honorable Bishop Botros Al Jerejiri had been elected Patriarch for the Roman Catholic Community ruling over Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem and All the East. This was very well received by the mentioned community based on his Beatitude’s reputation.
Page 63 of the 13th section of the Crescent, Sixth Year (Translator’s Note: Probably a page from a magazine or Newspaper)

IMAGE 7
Mr. Abdullah Qarali, Bishop of Beirut (1672 – 1742)
Taken from an old image that was photographed by Writer Yusof Efendi Khatar Ghanem and he showed it in the Program of the Brotherhood of Saint Maron.

IMAGE 8
Mr. Germanus Farhat
Maronite Bishop of Aleppo (1670 – 1732)
Taken from his oldest photographs that are found in Aleppo.

The name in no. 5 is فلابيانوس Flābiyānūs, i.e. not Philip(p)ianos, but Flavianus (Italian Flaviano; French Flavien). I think it must be Greek Melkite Metropolitan Flaviano Khoury (Kfoury) [catholic-hierarchy.org] of Homs and Hama.

Thanks again !!!!

Gorgeous. Where did you get these from?

Antv, would you please provide the Google Books link to the Arabic book you got these from?

Mistake in image 2. It's supposed to be Patriarch of Cilicia.

Here it is (hoping not to have done confusion):
- images 1,2,3: http://www.google.com/books?id=oGjVAAAAMAAJ
- image 5: http://www.google.com/books?id=jospAAAAYAAJ
- image 6: http://www.google.com/books?id=MrEZAAAAMAAJ
- images 7,8: http://www.google.com/books?id=POnfAAAAMAAJ
- image 9: http://www.google.com/books?id=JLAZAAAAMAAJ
- image 4 is from Machriq #11 I don't have here ready the link
(PS to read these links you shall connect to Google from US
or to use a US anonimyzer)

Thanks again to all of you who solved the issue !!

A question for who can ready very fluently ancient Arabic. I'm looking for the name of the Consecrator on Jan 1820 of the Maronite Patriarch Joseph Hobaish [en.wikipedia.org] (actually here stops the Maronite apostolic succession for what I know) Perhaps the solution is at page 1232 (.pdf pag) of http://www.google.com/books?id=QnUpAAAAYAAJ that is referred to by the Graf in the ''Geschichte der christlichen arabischen Literatur'' in relation to the consecration of an other contemporary bishop.

Antv,

The latest issue of Sophia, the journal of the Melkite Eparchy of Newton, has an article by my good friend, Father Archimandrite John (Azar), with brief detail on each of the Melkite patriarchs. It's accompanied by small mosaic representations of each of them.

If this would be of assistance to you in your endeavors, pm a mailing address to me and I'll send a copy off to you.

Many years,

Neil

antv, I can't find the page you mention. If you send it to me as a PDF then I should be able to tell you, who consecrated the bishop. Assuming such content is in the page.

Thank a lot. You can access to the .pdf (extract from al_Mashriq 1904 v7) at this link [acioc-milano.org].
I've seen that Patriach Holbaish is referred to at page 1104 (n. 6 of the .pdf).

antv,

See my reply to your pm, for a link that may serve your purposes.

Many years,

Neil

Thanks for the PDF.
Unfortunately, it doesn't say who consecrated him. It talks of Joseph Hobaish naming another (Chabib ibn Aboud) to the episcopacy.
I read backwards and forwards from that spot, but cannot see any mention of Joseph Hobaish being consecrated bishop by someone.

By the way: any time a bishop is mentioned, it mentions who called him to the episcopacy or the diocese, to which he was sent. It never mentions the consecrator -- at least in the few pages I read.

Thank a lot !
I hoped it could contain the solving key, but anyway thank a lot: you helped me much, and now my researches shall continue

in Christ, antv

Thank a lot, I've written you a PM

Christos anesti, antv

Hello Antv,

Let me know if you need any help in translation of these pictures or finding any information regarding any of them.

They are all from Syria/greater Syria, and one of them (Patriarch Mikael de Jaroueh) is related to me.

I try again to beg your help in Arabic

Again the previous question (on a new document) for who can ready very fluently ancient Arabic. I'm looking for the name of the Consecrator on Jan 1820 of the Maronite Patriarch Joseph Hobaish [en.wikipedia.org] (actually here stops the Maronite apostolic succession for what I know)

The text that I got and perhaps has the solution in the History of Maronites by Joseph Debs (1905): here the page about patriarch Hobaish: http://www.acioc-milano.org/vari/547-548DebsMaronites.pdf

Is there written who in 1820 consecrated Hobaish as bishop of Tripoli ?

According to your source [acioc-milano.org], Yūsuf Ḥubaysh was born Yaʿqūb Ibn al-Shaykh Jawān Ḥubaysh. Bishop Anṭūn al-Khāzin raised him (رقاه raqāhu) to the priesthood on 26 June 1814. Patriarch Yuḥannā al-Ḥalū raised him (رقاه raqāhu) to the See of Tripoli on 30 January 1820. When Patriarch Yuḥannā al-Ḥalū died on 12 May 1823, Bishop Yūsuf Ḥubaysh was elected patriarch on 25 May 1823.

Maybe someone who knows Christian Arabic terminology very well can tell us the exact meaning of the verb رقى raqá, but I think it refers to both ordination to the presbyterate and consecration to the episcopate.

Thank a lot !!

Again I beg your help in Arabic

The point is to trace back the apostolic succession of the Maronite bishops listing all episcopal consecration. Solved Patriarch Hubaysh, now the apostolic succession of the present patriach H.B. al-Rahi trace back to Patriach George Rizqallah Beseb'ely (جرجس الثاني رزق الله البسبعلي) who reigned 1657-1650.

How consecrated he bishop? No awswer in the classic Dib nor in the Dau. Perhaps some information is in the book by Joseph Debs, in Arabic: here [kobayat.org] (perhaps at chapter 11). But I cannot at all read Arabic, nor goggle translate works with such calligraphy.

You mean when was he ordained bishop? According to your source (section 10 #62 p. 360) 25 July 1656, by Patriarch John Bawab Safrawy “to be an auxiliary for him in the administration of the affairs of the patriarchate and when this patriarch passed away on the 23 of December in the aforesaid year the bishops and notables gathered on the ninth day after his decease i.e. in January of the year 1657 and they elected him patriarch and he sent Fr. John the Carmelite [or: from Karmel] who was a resident at the Monastery of St. Elisha next to Bcharre to Rome and his companions with the petitions of rendering of submissiveness and the procurement of confirmation from the Roman Pontiff Pope Alexander VII and it happened that the aforesaid father died at his reaching Rome and the patriarch was compelled to renew the request and his confirmation was delayed to the year 1659.”

thank you very much for your ansewer. I apologize readin it so late but you have been very usefull.
The text linked in above message has any information (date, consecrator) about the previousPatriarch, John Bawab Safrawy?