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PS: Just as a side note..if you are interested. This is what I am used to seeing on Sundays: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE
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if Churches of Apostolic origin still maintain an authentic Eucharistic communion with the Lord. Isn't that kind of, I dunno, Catho-centric of you? I mean, is it a point of perfect agreement that we do maintain such a communion? I think not, if we consider what is said here and there by our Orthodox brothers about sacraments not being grace-filled? Sure, I think they've got it all wrong, but then I'm a little Catho-centric too (I like this new word!). We've got free will and we've used it such as we are able to break apart the bonds that unite our Churches. Maybe not you and me, but we've sure got pastors who have. So I think this business about mystical communion is pretty weak. We're in schism. I think pretending we're not is counterproductive. We ought to feel acutely the pain of this sin.
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That said, when I'm having tea with my in-laws, I almost never tell them that they're accursed heretics. It just wouldn't be courteous, and we must all try to be courteous. Actually I'd go even further: I would suggest in the future that you avoid the "almost never" by having some other beverage than tea.
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If the Orthodox are schismatics, so are the Catholics. So said Sayedna Elias (Zoghby), and how right he was. Nous sommes tous schismatiques. Just sayin' it don't make it so.
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No, but the fact that it is true does. And that's why I'm a Melkite, and no longer a Ruthenian.
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No, but the fact that it is true does. And that's why I'm a Melkite, and no longer a Ruthenian. Maybe then it's only the Melkites who are ...
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1) Orthodox are welcome to receive communion at your Tridentine Mass. Catholic popes, bishops and laity of more recent history have acknowledged the apostolic and sacramental fullness of Orthodox churches. Perhaps we are using different definitions of the word "schism"?
2) It's silly to think the Latin mass of today is exactly as it was in the 7th century. A cursory Google search demonstrates plenty of evidence otherwise. But even so, what is so mystical and holy about the 7th century?
3) Haven't been to those. I am unhappy with aspects pf the Ruthenian church as well, and would follow Stuart to the Melkites if there was a parish close enough to me.
St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Church in LA is spectacular and is where my love of the East was formed.
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Perhaps we are using different definitions of the word "schism"? One hopes not. It rather defeats the purpose and use of a common language.
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actually they not welcome to receive communion at my Tridentine Mass..its in our Bulletin that only Catholics may approach the communion rail but please..I just want to know where I can see the Divine Liturgy and not debate the eastern schism.
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MODERATOR NOTE:
This is an Eastern Christian forum - its members include faithful of both the Eastern and Oriental Catholic and Orthodox Churches, as well as faithful of other Churches - Catholic and otherwise - who have an interest in and love of the East.
The use of the terms 'uniate', 'schismatic', and 'heretic' as descriptors of the faithful of any of the Apostolic Churches is divisive, uncharitable, and contrary to all that this forum seeks to be - a community and a place of dialogue, discussion, charitable debate, and educational interaction.
Use of such terminology is unacceptable and will result in posts being edited or deleted. Continued use of the same may have further consequences.
Many years,
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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actually they not welcome to receive communion at my Tridentine Mass..its in our Bulletin that only Catholics may approach the communion rail but please..I just want to know where I can see the Divine Liturgy and not debate the eastern schism. Then the parish you attend is not a Catholic one, or is ignorant of Catholic praxis. Check the statement included in many of the Roman Catholic Missalettes regarding who may receive the Eucharist. This thread is now closed. If you wish to participate in a Divine Liturgy please consult the directory at the website or your local telephone directory.
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