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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
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Anyway appeals to the primitive church are futile archaeoligism and smack of protestantism

How does appealing to the early church smack of protestantism? For me as a Greek Catholic it is the source of Apostolic Tradition. So, could you clarify for me?


Sure. Appealing to the primitive as if that were the "pure" form of Christianity which should somehow be regained or re-enacted is faulty because it suggests that the Holy Ghost has not been operative all along, guiding the development of the Church and Churches.

Tradition is not only what used to be done. Living in caves is not traditional for people, it's just ancient. Tradition is a living thing handed on down the generations. It is a far greater faith to honour that which has come down to us because it recognises the active role of the spirit in guiding and forming the Church over centuries.

So it isn't really necessary to determine the degree to which the apostles preferred celibacy, for this is not the support on which the legitimacy of married clergy rests. If was not the will of God, the Church would not have persisted in it nearly long enough to call it traditional.


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When I was young, just barely of age but living on my own and paying my own way, an older man wisely advised me that if I was ever going truly to be a man, I was going to have to stop looking for permission from my mother. There is nothing the matter with doing the courtesy of informing her of your decisions, he said, but if you seek permission, you aren't a man, and your marriage will be a mess. I am indebted to him.

Look what you've done here:

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We wish to but how can we when we are constantly told by others that our Tradition is an "innovation" or that we have "second class priests?" And there is a long history of Latin married priests and deacons (and Bishops). This tradition is much older than the mandatory celibacy of Latin clergy, which from my understanding is only a discipline not a dogma. So a Pope could reinstitute married priests for the Latin church if he so choose and it wouldn't change the faith of the Roman Church.

Leaving aside the fact that you've mangled the concept of tradition (as described in my prior post) you've appealed to the practice of the Latins again. That's the wrong answer. Don't look to anyone else. Are these your legitimate traditions? Then put on your big-boy pants, stop seeking permission, and be the Church, founded by Christ himself and guided through these twenty centuries by the Third Person of the Trinity. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Diak
And kudos to Neil for beating me in posting Dr. Kania's article.

LOL, Deacon Randy, I believe that I originally got the link from a posting by you a couple of years back.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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