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I just don't think I will participate in this thread anymore because some of the stuff posted on here is downright evil and sickening. I just can't deal with this Tridentine stuff.

I have seen it ruin so many parishes, and now look at the evil that it is promoting in Ukraine.

I am almost at the point of thinking that it is Satan's way of attacking the UGCC. There is no other logical explination as to why Tridentines flock to the UGCC. All they do is ruin it, promote and further their own agenda, split up parishes, and promote Fatima. That is all it is about is Fatima. Every single one I have met in San Diego, LA, Chicago, Michigan. Philly, San Francisco, Ohio. Every single one of them. Fatima to them is the all and end all.

I don't even believe in it anymore.

Let God arise and His enemies be scattered!

-uc

Dear Father Michael Mary,

Thank you for your long post!

Your argument is tainted by some points that I thought were beneath you.

"DIAK" is not using a false name - and, as he has shown, he is always ready to display his full personal name - you really do owe him an apology for your comment that was unprovoked and totally "ultra vires" your response.

I hope you will consider making that apology and demonstrate in deeds what you proclaim in words.

Your blanket charge against the Ukrainian Greek-
Catholic Church that it is on the brink of apostasy (something you also say about "byzcaths" but I don't know what those things are as you are referring to them by a false name) is simply inflammatory, unChristian, rude beyond belief and generally in keeping with your style of converse here.

The UGCC does not need someone of your ilk to teach loyalty to Rome to it. Our loyalty to Rome was severely tested both in Siberia and with respect to the patriarchal movement of Pat. Joseph Slipyj. Unless you can bring up specific charges (not fantasies, as you charge us with, but specific FACTS) that show we are on the "brink of apostasy" then you owe the UGCC an apology too for such slanderous accusations.

I'm ready to debate you on specifics of church history and, with you, at any time, Father.

Your posting here has been a seriously disappointing display that is unbecoming a Christian, let alone someone said to represent the prestige of the Redemptorist Order of the Holy Catholic Church.

Your understanding of nationalism and the church is also seriously flawed and misinformed as to historical fact.

Shameful, in the least.

Sorry for my speaking this way to you, Father, as I come from a priestly family that has its own martyrs for the Catholic Faith.

Your display here over the last two days has been rather beneath contempt.

Alex

OK, I have heard the voices raised concerning this thread. The admin and I communicated regarding this thread yesterday when complaints started coming in. It was felt that since Fr Michael Mary was expressing the views of his group that it should continue for the time being. Due to some emergency, I had been unable to monitor the thread from that time yesterday until now.

I have found that emotions and other things have exploded on this thread, including attacks on persons. I feel in the spirit of the season it is necessary to close this thread. The purpose of this forum is to create an understanding of Eastern Christians not lead attacks on each other. If attacking is the purpose of posting then I advise those that feel that way to find other places to post.

Let us live in the spirit of the Lenten Prayer of Saint Ephraim the Syrian.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Moderator