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Cutting to the chase:

Anything comparable?

Contemporary no, not that I am aware of. However, I don't know of any Ruthenian or other BC hierarchs who post online under their own name.

There was the infamous article "Strangers in our midst" which appeared in the BCW but that was quite a while back. Perhaps you know more about that.

TIKHON is quoting someone else (someone of whom he does not seem to have a high opinion).

He may not think much of the person quoted, but he chooses to use the odious quote.

I am unfamiliar with the article, that you mentioned. I think it proper to restrict attention to the present. I don't doubt that if we go back just a little bit to the era in which Orthodox were actively particpating in the liquidation of our churches abroad, or the era of litigation in our churches here, you will find stronger public words. It would be nice if we could put that behind us. But that "putting" will require reciprocation.

I agree. How then are SPDundas' remarks pertinent? While some Orthodox may use strong language even employing the "U" word, have any laughed at the portrayal of desecration of the Body and Blood of Christ?

They were off topic.

In answer to your second question, let's first determine whether or not Orthodox consider the Eucharist of Catholics to be the Body and Blood of Christ. If they don't, then question is moot.

I think you know such a determination is impossible. Russians would probably says yes while Athonites no. Maybe not.

I was told a story here by a professor who visited a non-functioning Orthodox church in Russia under communism. He was let in by a caretaker and found to his surprise statues from a closed local RC church, they were being kept in the Orthodox church for safe keeping. They were holy things not to be mistreated.

It remains a gross insult to an apostolic church what was portrayed (even though I did not see it). But then again, mockery of such things as confession has been going on in comedy for quite a while on TV, I mean if anyone has seen some of the South Park episodes that made fun of the Catholic Church during a recent crisis, they know, it was very poor.

Tony,

DID I say "ALL" Orthodox are anti-Catholics? I guess you didn't read what I said...

Protestants...who have anti-Catholicism in their bones carry it to the Orthodox Church and the clerics know it and tolerates it. That bothers me.

I know many cradle Orthodox who love the Catholic Church and partake Communion frequently.

Everytime I go over to the Antiochian Orthodox Cathedral here in Wichita, I always get cold shoulders from converts and sometimes I get really cold shoulders from clerics there. Because they know that I'm Catholic.

A close friend of mine in that Church witnessed Bishop Basil kicking a Byzantine Catholic priest OUT of the Church (in a social hall) because he was a friend of an Orthodox priest in that Diocese. Bishop Basil is known to be very anti-Catholic and talking down about us.

I've always respected Bishop Basil and when he finds out that I'm Byzantine Catholic, gives me cold shoulders.

My experience speaks volumes than what I hear from other people, so TONY, you are clueless.

You are pretty rash and rough on me, so lay off. Remember, you are on a CATHOLIC forum here, so I have the right to tell people what I saw about how the Protestant converts bring anti-Catholicism into the Orthodox Church. Sad, but it's true.

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

Dear SPDundas,

What you experienced was horrible AND downright unchristian and sinful!

On behalf of those Orthodox, I apologize.

What you are expressing is indeed a reality within the current Antiochian Orthodox Church IN AMERICA, which has *many* Protestant converts. Unfortunately, the Antiochians that I have also met (that are not born overseas), although praiseworthy in their Orthodox faith, also seem to have the same attitude.

It is so ironic, because the Antiochian Patriarch is one of the most loving, charitable and union desiring Orthodox Patriarchs around.

Therefore, your conculusion about the anti-Catholic sentiment being brought in by converts is right on target. This Antiochian problem is one of my primary concerns AGAINST Orthodox unity in this country. I would not want that spirit of anti-Catholicism, which I consider nothing short of hateful, to spread to my Archdiocese...(we have enough other problems..LOL!)

May I make a suggestion, please? Could you please send exactly your post to someone at the Antiochian Archdiocese. People must speak out and not be intimidated. Prejudice of this sort, among Christian brethren is UNACCEPTABLE! If you don't want to, please p.m. me and tell me if you would allow me to direct your post to some sites where it will be read.

God bless you.

With love in Christ, OUR Lord of peace and love,
Alice

You are rude.

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Well, I thought that we had already discussed this topic before and came to the understanding that this forum is NOT a Catholic Forum but for all Eastern Christians and those interested in Eastern Christianity. It might have started off as Byzantine Catholic but it has expanded and that is a positive thing.
Like Alice, I'm sorry for the experiences you have had with some Orthodox. I don't like that type of behavior on the part of anyone and especially not Orthodox Christians!!

Brian is correct that this is a forum focusing on Eastern Christianity, and not specifically a Catholic forum.

I do not doubt SPDundas� experience. He has absolutely no reason to invent such a story.

I have run into a few Protestant converts to Orthodoxy who are nasty towards Catholicism. They exist in all Churches. I have met Orthodox who have transferred to Catholicism who are extremely anti-Orthodox. And Catholic converts to Evangelical Christianity who are extremely anti-Catholic. And Baptist converts to Catholicism who are extremely anti-Baptist. Why don�t we end this by concluding that the particular people that SPDundas met have not exampled the wonderful hospitality that we know exists in most Orthodox parishes?

There is a lesson here. When we fail to show hospitality at all times people form poor opinions about us. And once an opinion is formed it is usually very difficult to change.

I visited the website of the Cathedral in Wichita.

http://www.stgeorgecathedral.net/

According to the description of the clergy on the cathedral website, the dean is an ex-Roman Catholic who felt disaffected by the changes in Roman Catholicism. To my mind, it is one thing to say that he was baptized and raised Roman Catholic and is now Orthodox. It is quite another to cite the sources of his disaffection with the faith of his youth as a precursr to his entry into Orthodoxy. I find it to be a pathetic example of the convert mentality especially rampant among former RC's who are now clergy in the AOC (a few of whom are my friends) - and decidedly unbecoming of a priest of whatever jurisdiction.

SPUNDAS, why go where you are not welcome? Wipe the dust off of your feet and pray in all earnestness for the end of prelest.

Pray for me a sinner,

Gordo

Tony,

The fact you made a defensive remark speaks volumes of the fact you are tolerant of anti-Catholic sentiments among the Orthodox faithful speaks volumes of your attitude. You have not yet acknowledged the fact it's true and didn't even try to have an ecumenical tone.

Administrator,

Yes, you are correct. However, this site was founded in the Byzantine Catholic territory and it would be more appropriate to treat the Byzantines in a warm manner and have respect. All Eastern Christians should be grateful for this helpful and ecumenical forum in purpose to achieve the goal of Christian Unity. I mean, showing respect to the host would be nice.

Alice and Gordor,

The reason I keep going to the Antiochian Churches is because there is this one smaller parish which is filled with my life long close friends. They treat me as one of them except the priest of course. And plus I desire to be there to pray to the same G-d that we share and hope for Christian Charity and Unity. I do not think ill of them (people at the Cathedral), but to be filled with sorrow of the way they treat me. Now, understand this, not all are like that. Most, if not all, cradle Antiochian Orthodox are very nice to me and even desire that I receive Communion there.

There is a community of Maronites here in Wichita that get treated poorly simply because they're Catholic. I mean, come on, the parish have many Lebanese families and the clerics and other should treat them as one of theirs as well.

I simply don't understand why the clerics tolerate this. You are right, the Patriarch is very nice man and desires unity as the Church was also founded by St. Peter.

Gordor, you're right, the dean there is a bitter man. I can even see it in his eyes. But his wife is the sweetest human being there. All I can do is pray that he would no longer be filled with anger. It is true that it's not a good thing for people to become Orthodox with the wrong motivation. People should become Orthodox with a motivation to grow closer to G-d, same for those who want to be Catholic. Of course I'll add that we should have the motivation to at least try to achieve Unity the best we can with the grace of G-d.

But if anyone understands or knows WHY the Antiochians in America are that way while the Mother countries aren't?

Of course the Greek Church here in town treat me so well. I love these Greek folks. They feed me well! Hehe! Everytime I eat their meals, I could swear that I have died and gone to Heaven! aaahhhh wow.

Thanks for listening and for letting me vent out.

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

Brother SPDundas,

I've found stiff necks on both sides of the fence, when I went to confession at the start of Lent & mentioned Byzantine Church, the priest's head spun around and his voice remarkably turned very stern.

It is truly sad to see this happen amongst the brethern.

james

Dundas,

You are a pot calling a kettle black about "attitude" and "ecumenical tone." I am not tolerant of anti-anything that is harmful. I have no doubt you have been mistreated, and that makes me very sad. Many have been mistreated in the name of God or truth and it is usually neither that is really at play. But, life is a trial. Having said that, it doesn't make it right.

I questioned how your post is pertinent to this thread. The Sacred Species (RC) was mocked, this is an affront to all Christians in my opinion. Perhaps others will disagagree, so be it. If you think your being treated poorly is to be equated with this TV episode, well I think you are wrong but of course you will think what you will.

T