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Originally Posted by StuartK
I suppose we could always tell our Latin confreres that WE are the true Rhomaioi, and they're just a bunch of unwashed Franks.

Finally! You see that Fr john Romanides is correct in his assessment. Progress at last.

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It would disturb Father John's soul, though, if I pointed out that most modern Greeks are actually an admixture of Slavs and Turks, through whose veins the blood of Pericles flows very thin indeed.

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OK, I'm officially changing my name:

Alexander Rhomaios

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Alexandros Romanos--Alexander the Roman.

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I love it!!

And I am a member of the Royal Stuart Society. We venerate all the Stuarts, you know . . .

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Originally Posted by StuartK
It would disturb Father John's soul, though, if I pointed out that most modern Greeks are actually an admixture of Slavs and Turks, through whose veins the blood of Pericles flows very thin indeed.
As long as the tongue of Pericles is thick in their mouth, it matters not.

Btw, besides the Karamanlis (and it doesn't seem to matter, as the attained the premiership and presidency of the Hellenic Republic), not much Turk blood in there.

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I love it!!

And I am a member of the Royal Stuart Society.
Aren't you forbidden to reveal that to non-members?

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As long as the special hand-shake remains a secret, all is well! smile

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Originally Posted by Filipe YTOL
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When I was a boy what are now autonomous ritual Churches did not exist. They were simply part of the Roman Catholic Church and referred to as "Roman Catholics of the Melkite rite" and "Roman Catholics of the Greek rite"... etc.

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Dear Father,

You mean "Particular EC Churches" rather than "autonomous."

If we were autonomous . . . we wouldn't have nearly as many issues to discuss here as we do!

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Orthodox Catholic wrote:: "You mean "Particular EC Churches" rather than "autonomous."
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The Code of Canon Law refers to “Autonomous Ritual Churches.” E.g., Canon 112.

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Originally Posted by Hieromonk Ambrose
Orthodox Catholic wrote:: "You mean "Particular EC Churches" rather than "autonomous."
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The Code of Canon Law refers to “Autonomous Ritual Churches.” E.g., Canon 112.
I believe this is just a translation issue: sometimes "sui iuris" is translated as "autonomous"; sometimes it is left as "sui iuris".

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Of course, John Romanides would say that all Orthodox are Roman, but in a different sense than applied by the modern Vatican, and he would be right.

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but in a different sense than applied by the modern Vatican, and he would be right.

I don't think that the modern Vatican would say all Catholics are Roman.

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Words and phrases have meanings. Why use "sui juris" in the first place if it is not analogous to its commonly understood meaning?

"SUI JURIS. One who has all the rights to which a freemen is entitled; one who is not under the power of another, as a slave, a minor, and the like."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sui+juris

Or, if you don't like that definition, there is always this one:

"sui ju·ris adj.(Law) Capable of managing one's own affairs"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sui+juris

We Orthodox view Rome's unique definition as a potent symbol to us that attempting to reach a joint and mutually agreed upon definition of other Latin terms, say like " primus inter pares" is not likely going to happen any time soon.

Word do have meanings - and consequences.

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