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from Wikipedia: Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Ukrainian: Тіні забутих предків, Tini zabutykh predkiv), also called Shadows of Our Forgotten Ancestors [...]– is a 1964 film by the Soviet filmmaker Sergei Parajanov based on the classic book by Ukrainian writer Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky. The film was Parajanov's first major work and earned him international acclaim for its rich use of costume and color. The film also features a detailed portrayal of Ukrainian Hutsul culture, showing not only the harsh Carpathian environment and brutal family rivalries, but also the beauty of Hutsul traditions, music, costumes, and dialect. Why, then, ?
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Because if Hutsuls are Ukrainians, then by the same logic, Ukrainians are Russians. The Wikipedia article is just another example of the enforced Ukrainianization of the Rusyn peoples, the same thing the Ukies complain the Russians did to them.
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Because if Hutsuls are Ukrainians, then by the same logic, Ukrainians are Russians. The Wikipedia article is just another example of the enforced Ukrainianization of the Rusyn peoples, the same thing the Ukies complain the Russians did to them. Thanks for saying this for me. This is a sensitive subject to the present day. I remember bitter arguments about this movie when I was a ten or so and it was shown at the local university. There was a group from the local UGCC, mostly recent immigrants at that time, who protested in no uncertain - and nasty terms.
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Because if Hutsuls are Ukrainians, then by the same logic, Ukrainians are Russians. The Wikipedia article is just another example of the enforced Ukrainianization of the Rusyn peoples, the same thing the Ukies complain the Russians did to them. I live in Quebec. Fifty years ago, the descendants of the immigrants from France would have self-identified as "Canadi ens" (hence the hockey team). Today, they call themselves "Quebecois". Their cousins, who live across the border in Ontario or New Brunswick today do not self-identify as "Quebecois". Yet they are obviously of the same people (and cheer for the same hockey team). My great-grandfather self-identified as a "Rusyn", but his children identified as "Ukrainians". One would be hard-pressed to find a Hutsul today who did not self-identify as "Ukrainian". If I called Warhol, who did not so self-identify a "Ukrainian", I could understand an objection, but the use of "Rusyn" to descibe the film instead of "Hutsul" or "Ukrainian" seems provocative to me.
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Believing everything one reads in Wikipedia is rather naive.
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You know, evil and good reside in any group at any time. It amazes me the intensity with which some want to keep old grievances and disputes alive - long after any significance is lost. Folks still seem to want to go to war over slights against their great-great-grandmothers, now long dead. In a different land, and sometimes even in a different century, isn't it about time to forgive, move forward, and stop bickering?
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