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I wonder if those offended would be less scandalized if the nun and missionary were polka-ing...  Dave
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i was at WYD 2005 and at the mass..i didnt not see any juggling at the altar..and i thought the mass was very well done for the most part.
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the akafistos to Mary was extroidinary and really surprised me..the program had said it was an "orthodox" hymn instead of being byzantine or eastern in general. there was alot of latin in the mass on sunday but kind of got drowned out with how they sppeeded it up, this was during the gloria. overall world youth day was awesome, something every diocese if possible should attempt to attend. i got to attend the transfiguration liturgy while i was there according to the old calender. it was great ! and being the next WYD is in sydney theres alot of ukrainian catholic churches there...i am looking forward to attending.
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Daniel,
It's really not even a question of sexuality. Anyone can clearly see inappropriate nature of this.
First of all, it would be considered sexual by anyone for a woman to put her chest on a guy's face. It just is. Naturally, it's quite common (although not so much in public). I'm in college, Daniel. I've been to high school. I've had girlfriends. I promise you, I've "gotten out." But for a nun to put her freakin' boobs in a missionary's face isn't sexual? Gimme a break. That's sexually implicit for anyone - - - and definitely for a nun!
Honestly, my reaction would be far more subdued if this was just a regular girl and guy at WYD. I'd still think it was a little bit odd, and perhaps not the choicest place to display such feelings. But I can't ever think of a situation, sexual or otherwise, that calls for a consecrated woman to be swung around in public. Or for her to wrap her legs around someone else (another sexual implicit action).
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Teen: You might like to consider that, while the snapshot freezes a moment in time, this position of the nun and missionary cannot possibly be sustained and was very likely not really controlled. Your use of the word "putting" thus cannot be right; probably more like a momentary contact during a lift or whatever. The sexual content strikes me as very exagerrated here. The nun expressed regret over her inappropriate overexhuberance and will be disciplined as her superior sees fit. Why is so much attention lavished on her shortcoming? Here's a nice story: CARRYING A GIRL ACROSS A RIVER - a Zen Buddhism Koan
One day, a Buddhist Monk named I-hsiu (literary, "One Rest") took his young student to go to town to do some business. As they approached a small river, they saw a very pretty girl walking back and forth looking very concerned.
"Lady", asked I-hsiu, "you look very concerned. What is troubling you?"
"I want to cross the river to visit my dad who is very sick, but the bridge had fallen. Where is the next nearest bridge?"
"The next closest one is many miles away. But, don't worry, I will carry you across the river."
So I-hsiu carried the girl on his back and walked across the river stream. Once they reached the other side, he put her down and, saying farewell to each other, went on their ways separately.
Observing the whole thing, the young student was rather uneasy. He thought, "the Master taught us that women are man-eating tigers yet today he carried a pretty girl on his back across a river! That does not make any sense. Isn't the Lord Buddha teach us to keep a distance from a stranger girl?"
Over the next couple of month, the whole thing was still bothering him in his mind. Finally, the student could not stand it any longer and raised the issue with I-hsiu.
Upon hearing this, I-hsiu bursted into laughter: "I had put down the girl ever since I had crossed the river. You must be very tired carrying her around for the last two months!"
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Djs,
I did consider the snapshot effect, naturally. But the position was held, however brief. Anyway, the reports also said that she wrapped her legs around him. "Believe half of what you read..." I know.
Anyway, we are not Buddhists, but I do find your anecdotal tale of some relevance and interest. Thank you.
I'll drop it now because no one's opinions are changing and it's just causing strife.
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I perhaps wouldn't use the term "gravely sinful", but I would agree that it was quite imprudent and certainly could (and obviously did) cause scandal, therefore in retrospect hopefully the sister, who I am sure had no ill intent, has likely realized she got carried away and needs to re-evaluate the prudent limits of how she express her joy and zeal in the future.
The issue of showing that joy or dancing certainly isn't the problem. Rather the problem would relate to the implicit sexual innuendo like wrapping legs around your partner as part of a dance. I'd argue that parents shouldn't let their teenagers participate in such types of dances, I'd probably recommend to young adults that it might not be the best idea from a temptation, and so certainly it becomes even more of an issue when you're talking about this kind of activity when you are a person consecrated to celibacy, and one who is to be a visible witness of that complete gift of self to Christ.
Let's remember that her own mother superior, placed over her, also saw fit to issue a mild rebuke, which should say something as well about the activity not being appropriate.
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Dear Friends,
This reminds me of an episode I had with a nun while on a high school retreat . . .
The young nun, quite liberal in her ways, was giving us a roundtable sex education class.
I was quite, shall we say, non-plussed by her forwardness.
She then looked at me and said, "Alex, have you ever had the thrill of kissing a girl?"
I thought that was a bit much, and my friends around me were just too eager to see me squirm.
So, as I was sitting across from the Venerable Mother, I patted her hand and said, "I think we all need to just calm down a bit."
The conversation became more serious afterwards . . .
Friends came to me later and said, "Boy, you got her going. She went to wash her face with cold water! Is that the effect you have on women?"
What else could I do, but wink?
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Of course we should add that it shouldn't escape our attention that the missionary in question here was also being imprudent.
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Dear Friends,
Really, the nun was no movie actress and the missionary was no Cary Grant.
Such goings-on take away from the solemnity of an occasion.
But it is World Youth Day - when a bunch of these came into my office in Toronto, both boys and girls, they started pushing me around with glee.
And, so as not to scandalize anyone, let it be known that I did NOT push back!!
Alex
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Okay, the nun and the missionary were doing something that was inappropriate (but I doubt sinful). Let's drop that and move on. Now.
Fr. Deacon Edward
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