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Again, Alex, you miss my point as you do on the language issue.

Go back and reread my reply.... actually here it is...

and again

I guess it needs to be repeated with emphasis....

If one is purchasing for the sole purpose of supporting a group I would suggest that one buys from a group that is part of your Church.

Have I gotten through yet?

Can you please tell me how the purchase of something from an orthodox source would provide support to Catholic groups?

David

I guess I'm gonna sound nitpicky, but I'll bite the bullet...

The idea behind such statements is that "They are them and We are us".

And yet, the Byzantine (and other Eastern) Catholic Churches find their mother, not in Rome, but in the Orthodox--yes, Orthodox--East.

So why does it have to be an "us versus them" thing? Why can't it be a "They're Orthodox? They're our people as well!" thing too?

In this thread, some Catholic sources for icons have been listed. And yet, it seems to me (maybe I read the posts wrong) that they get their icons from sources that are not Catholic. Heck, Monastery Icons is "Gnostic Orthodox" or whatever the flavor of the week is. And others are Orthodox.

It seems to me that if one's gonna be strict about supporting members of one's Church, one should ensure that the icons purchased are written by Byzantine (or other Eastern) Catholics.

Now the question is if you guys have enough icon writers for such an ideal.

Dear Zoe Theodoria:

Some iconographers charge more than others for their icons. I'm sure the parish could find somethign cost effective

What response have you gotten from the pastor?

Stefan

Dear David,

And you've missed my point as well, Friend in Christ!

(Just don't get me started on the new mysteries of the Rosary today - I've already had some run-ins and it's still early)

Do you deny that the Orthodox Church is also "Catholic?"

If you do, that's O.K. I guess and you are right.

But I see the Orthodox as part of the true Church of Christ, so I don't see anything wrong with buying icons from them and supporting them.

Perhaps it's just me - and Mor Ephrem .

Alex

Alex,
I see nothing wrong with the new mysteries of the rosary, actually I think they are great...but then I don't really pray the rosary all that much.

As for the Orthodox not being Catholic....I would have to say yes to that, as it is understood today. I believe that the Orthodox would agree too.

When I give my money, in way of support, I think it is important to support our institutions first.

After all there are many Orthodox groups that are anti-catholic....

But I have stated my opinion on this matter and I think that is enough for now so...

God Bless!

David

Dear David,

As for the Rosary, it is all a matter of "To bead or not to bead, that is the question."

But do try to say it more often . . .

I agree with you about your point regarding not supporting any group that is anti-Catholic.

Hmmm . . . let's see, I guess that's all, Big Guy!

Alex

Slava Isusu Christu!

For me i have Lost the Rosary devotion when i became Byzantine Catholic. I dont know how to get back into saying. I said it not to long ago and i got nothing out of it. Ive been more devoted to Eastern Traditions such as the Chotki. I had an easier time saying the rosary when i had EWTN.
What could i do now?

From: Daniel
In The Holy Theotokos

Dear Daniel,

Well, you've come to the right place!

St Seraphim of Sarov recited 150 Hail Mary's on his prayer rope which was actually a leather lestovka each day and required his spiritual children to recite the "Rule of the Mother of God" as well.

St Seraphim Zvezdinsky actually divided this rule into 15 decades like the RC rosary with meditations.

You can find his series on www.oldworldrus.com [oldworldrus.com]

You can also do the traditional RC series. Look up the "Rosary method of St Louis de Montfort" on a search engine or else the "Scriptural Rosary" - two excellent ways of saying the Rosary.

Also, go to the thread "Pope to add luminous mysteries to the Rosary" on East/West here. I've listed a series of meditations with words placed in the Hail Mary prayer that you may find helpful - it's my method.

It takes a while to get back into it - but the practice itself is perfectly Orthodox and Eastern.

Alex

Slava Isusu Christu!

Thanks.

From:daniel

I just got another one of their catolouges in tha mail today. A few of thier icons are decent, but I'm sorry, most look like cartoons.

they are selling books on icons that look nice and we have used their insence before but thats about it.

Okay, I am officially retired from this forum, but I just had to share this for my friends here. If anyone doubts that the folks at Monastery Icons are pagans, just check out these new "icons" they offer, not in their catalogue for Christians, but in pagan catalogues:

Monastery Icon\'s Pagan "Icons" [orthodox.blogspot.com]

This should be passed on to all Roman Catholic stores that like to sell stuff from "Monastery Icons"

I buy all my icons from Dormition Skete Icons [buenavistaco.com] instead.

In Christ,
-Nikolai
http://EuphrosynosCafe.com

Thank you for posting that, i remember posting that thread along time ago, i knew it was true.
My priest sells some of thouse in our gift shop we need to oust them

The article recommended is good, but there is a better one by Father Gregory Tillet - I shall ask him if it is available on line. Meanwhile, it is important to realize that iconography is, among other things, a language - and that Burke and his associates are using that language to promote un-Christian ideas. BEWARE of these pseudo-icons. Just as holy water cannot transform obscenities into pious prayers, likewise holy water cannot transform false icons into real ones. Incognitus

I don't know how I missed this discussion for so long; I just noticed it today...so some of my thoughts on the subject:
First, the idea that Catholics ought not buy icons from Orthodox sources strikes me as somewhat ridiculous. It was the Orthodox who kept iconography alive while Catholic religious art veered off into increasing "realism" and ulimately, schlock. [I am not opposed to all Western religious art, but that is a different subject]. Nearly every icon of any worth comes from the Orthodox side of the divide. My own teacher was BC, but his teacher was Orthodox and HIS teacher is now an OCA bishop. While it is unfortunatly true that there is anti-Catholic sentiment among some Orthodox, that really should not keep Catholics from recognizing the beauty of their gifts to the wider Church [even if such recognition is not reciprocated].
Second, the icons from monastery icons always struck me as somewhat off-putting and sort of dead, even before I knew of their eclectic background. I think now that what I was picking up on was the influence of Hindu devotional art; you know, those sensual images of the doe-eyed, androgenous Krishna, that sort of thing.[there is in the abbot's autobiography an account of an encounter with Kali, goddess of death, that sounds a lot like demonic possession to me]. I do have one of their images in my home, purchased before I knew of their heretical outlook and while I was still RC, of St Thomas More. It has been blessed and I see no reason to discard it. I agree that the blessing of the Church undoes whatever evil they intend. Now that I know where they are coming from I would never buy another one, though.Nor an icon by Robert Lenz or Fr McNichols, for that matter.
Another thing: what in the world could be wrong with making an icon of a Western saint? Are those of us with a RC background supposed to reject the saints with whom we have journied? Or only settle for inferior holy card art? I have just completed an icon of St Therese and recently did St Francis. If we are serious about reunion veneration of saints from both traditions, who dwell together in Light beyond all earthly division,ought to be a good place to start. I am delighted to make the acquaintance of new [to me] eastern saints but have no intention of abandoning my old friends in Christ.
Finally, I was taught that a reproduction, when blessed, carries the grace of the original. Is this wrong? Are only the affluent to receive the grace of icons?
Of course, humanly speaking, a reproduction can't compare with a hand painted icon. I try and make mine affordable, telling people they can pay me a little at a time, for example.
It's also true that part of it is perception and value: most people have a TV, for example and spend huge [comparitively] amounts of money on [ahem] computers.

Oops! Sorry, the proper link to the icons (that will be good after a week has passed) is here [orthodox.blogspot.com] . Sorry if it causes any confusion ion the future. Ciao!

In Christ,
Nikolai
Euphrosynos Café [euphrosynoscafe.com]