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#424435 04/17/24 11:44 AM
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Christ is Risen!!

Daniel,

Welcome to the forum.

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He makes some good content against Islam but I would caution against promoting this guy since he remains a heretic, at the end of the day. I know that just because he holds to a heretical confession that does not mean everything he says or thinks is heretical. But I see this mans cult of popularity springing up around him online and seeing him continue to be promoted (especially by Catholic and Orthodox Christians who ought to know better) is a cause of concern for me.

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Eastern Christian,

Welcome to the forum.

On another note, it is not our practice to label others "heretic(s)" here. While this bishop may not be in communion with your particular Church, he is still a bishop followed by others. We are here to learn from and about each other, as well as to try to find common ground to stand against the militant secular culture around us and militant Islam, both of which seek our destruction.

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In truth Christ is risen! (Even though we will celebrate it on the coming 5th May). God bless you all.

Thanks, I agree we should be always cautious and discerning, as well as to try to find common ground to stand not only against the militant secular culture around us and militant Islam, but against satan in the first place.
What Mar Mari Emmanuel says about worldly things is not always precise and correct. For example, when criticizing worldly evil, he said that America introduced same-sex marriage, but it was introduced in Netherlands for the first time. On the other hand I learned from him many interesting things of faith that I was not aware of. For example the importance of surrendering to and having personal relation with God the Holy Spirit in order to come to Christ.
He also believes that Jesus is God-man and still one person. So when I pray to God the Son I still pray to Jesus the God-man, because God the Son has identified himself with the Man Jesus, without being changed.
I believe all trinitarian Christians can be united on the basis of Nicean-Constantinopolitan creed, without any need for us to sacrifice our orthodox faith or agree with some of their teaching that we perceive as heretical. I try to be cautious when I use the word 'heretical', because it arouses in me the emotions of pride and contempt towards others. And this emotions can contribute to my condemnation on the day of God's judgement, as if Jesus will say to me 'So you were one of the right ones, the son of the Kingdom, isn't it? But did you really not sin as those 'heretics' did? Were you really so much better than they? Well, let's have a closer look at your life...'

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Daniel,

I made my comment entirely on the basis of what the bishop said about Islam and about Christ. I don't delve into his theology of Christ or his theology in general. However, what I found about his expressions about Islam matched what I had learned before reading his thoughts or watching these videos. I also remember reading similar material from Father Zacharia Boutros years ago. Both these men are not "orthodox" in their theology as we would be as Chalcedonians, but they live immersed in Islamic cultures and have had to defend the Faith up close and personal.

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To be honest, until he was assaulted and wounded, I knew nothing about this bishop. Thank you for sharing these videos. I will definitely have to delve into his material before I can learn more about who he truly is.

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Daniel Hoseiny,

Welcome to the forum.

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OEFNavyVet,

Mar Mari Emmanuel seems to be part of the Church of the East, a Church that grew up outside the bounds of the Roman Empire and that, at one time, had spread Christianity all the way to China. Their theology about Christ was influenced by an exile from the Byzantine Empire. My memory is foggy about the specifics because it has been a long time since I studied that Chmurch.

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The bishop was ordained by the Ancient Church of the East that separated from the Church of the East in the late 1960’s. However he upset the Patriarch of the Ancient Church who suspended him. It seems the bishop is his own church these days. He has been warned by the Australian bishop for the Church of the East to make sure he does not lead people to think he is with their church as they don’t want anything to do with him.

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Christ is in our midst!!

OEFNavyVet,

Mar Mari Emmanuel seems to be part of the Church of the East, a Church that grew up outside the bounds of the Roman Empire and that, at one time, had spread Christianity all the way to China. Their theology about Christ was influenced by an exile from the Byzantine Empire. My memory is foggy about the specifics because it has been a long time since I studied that Chmurch.

Bob

Bob,

Thank you for this information! I pray for him to be restored to a canonical status. Eve if he speaks in truth about some topics, perhaps demons encourage him to act in his own independent manner.

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Daniel,

I made my comment entirely on the basis of what the bishop said about Islam and about Christ. I don't delve into his theology of Christ or his theology in general. However, what I found about his expressions about Islam matched what I had learned before reading his thoughts or watching these videos. I also remember reading similar material from Father Zacharia Boutros years ago. Both these men are not "orthodox" in their theology as we would be as Chalcedonians, but they live immersed in Islamic cultures and have had to defend the Faith up close and personal.

Bob

How can the experiences and perspectives of Christian leaders immersed in Islamic cultures, like the bishop and Father Zacharia Boutros, inform our understanding of interfaith dialogue and defence of the Christian faith?

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John Steve,

We are not talking about "interfaith" dialogue, but "interreligious" dialogue. We have to remember that the former relates to our conversations with others who profess Christ but who we are not in communion with; the latter is a dialogue with those who do not recognize the unique Person of Christ and what He has done for the human race.

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In truth Christ is risen! (Even though we will celebrate it on the coming 5th May). God bless you all.

Thanks, I agree we should be always cautious and discerning, as well as to try to find common ground to stand not only against the militant secular culture around us and militant Islam, but against satan in the first place.
What Mar Mari Emmanuel says about worldly things is not always precise and correct. For example, when criticizing worldly evil, he said that America introduced same-sex marriage, but it was introduced in Netherlands for the first time. On the other hand I learned from him many interesting things of faith that I was not aware of. For example the importance of surrendering to and having personal relation with God the Holy Spirit in order to come to Christ.
He also believes that Jesus is God-man and still one person. So when I pray to God the Son I still pray to Jesus the God-man, because God the Son has identified himself with the Man Jesus, without being changed.
I believe all trinitarian Christians can be united on the basis of Nicean-Constantinopolitan creed, without any need for us to sacrifice our orthodox faith or agree with some of their teaching that we perceive as heretical. I try to be cautious when I use the word 'heretical', because it arouses in me the emotions of pride and contempt towards others. And this emotions can contribute to my condemnation on the day of God's judgement, as if Jesus will say to me 'So you were one of the right ones, the son of the Kingdom, isn't it? But did you really not sin as those 'heretics' did? Were you really so much better than they? Well, let's have a closer look at your life...'

How can trinitarian Christians unite around the Nicene Creed while remaining cautious of theological differences? Why is it important to avoid pride when discussing heresies and focus on humility in faith?

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Because pride is the chief sin. It obliterates any other good that we may have achieved in the spiritual life.


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